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John M

08-07-2007 14:07:33




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This fall, Im going to begin working on restoring my now retired 1941 M. I have been wanting to do this since my Dads 41 M was restored a few years back, but just havent had time, or money, to do so. But finally this fall its going to happen! Now, a buddy of mine at work asked me how I was going to haul 2 Ms to the show since my current trailer isnt long enough for 2,but getting a new trailer isnt that big of a deal, but what I want to know is if anyone out there is pulling 2 Ms with a F350 Superduty, and what type of setup your running for a trailer.(For those that would ask, its a 01 F350 Powerstroke dually)

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Randy in NE

08-08-2007 07:32:14




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to John M, 08-07-2007 14:07:33  
Last year I bought a 3/4 T Dodge w/Cummins and this year I bought a 25+5 goose neck with tandem 10,000 lb axles. The extra length is great for hauling my two C's. It is long enough that I could also throw the Super C on there if I had to. When I picked up my trailer from the dealer they did check my driver's license for the CDL certification. This trailer is a lot bigger than what I really need but I have plenty of room to grow if/when I buy bigger tractors.

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FarmallHPuller

08-07-2007 19:31:37




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to John M, 08-07-2007 14:07:33  
I have hauled two tractors with my 2000 F-250 7.3L diesel. One IH 400 and one IH H. I had around 12,000 of tractors on the trailer. I used a 32' gooseneck with 2 10k axles. The trailer worked great, but I needed to get the tractors fairly centered over the axles otherwise I would have major weight on the pickup.



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NDS

08-07-2007 17:08:23




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to John M, 08-07-2007 14:07:33  
One thing you might want to consider is that if combined GVWR of truck and trailer is over 26,000 lbs. you are in class A CDL territory. If you can prove that you are not involved in any type of commercial activity are have farm plated truck and are not over 150 miles from home you will probaly be OK. Will probaly be OK anyway unless involved in serious accident and then you can depend on them going over everthing with fine toothed comb.

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Randy in NE

08-08-2007 05:00:00




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to NDS, 08-07-2007 17:08:23  
It doesn't matter if you are commercial or not. If the combined GVWR is 26,001 or more you need a CDL. The exception is for farm plates. You need the CDL even if you are pulling an empty trailer. I figured it was a lot cheaper to get the CDL than to pay the fine if I was ever stopped.



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DennyF

08-08-2007 07:39:26




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to Randy in NE, 08-08-2007 05:00:00  
I've had a Class A CDL here in PA ever since they adopted the national CDL system (had a Class III license for years prior). Pretty sure PA exempts farmers in most cases and also those operating RVs and trailers, IF they're pulling personal possessions over 26,001 lbs. and not engaged in commerce.

Checked our regs last night on the internet, but didn't find all the answers. For example, found no mention of license requirements for air brakes. When our CDL licenses first began, you couldn't drive an air brake-equipped commerical vehicle without at least a Class B CDL.

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Randy in NE

08-08-2007 10:03:42




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to DennyF, 08-08-2007 07:39:26  
My CDL is not good for semi-trucks or trucks with air brakes. I can drive any pickup truck and pull any trailer designed for it. In Nebraska you need a CDL even if it is non-commercial. The commercial requires flares, signs, etc. Farm plated or RV do not require a CDL. You don't want to pull a non-farm plated trailer with a farm plated truck and vice-versa. I guess that DOT kind of frowns on that.

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DennyF

08-08-2007 13:50:16




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to Randy in NE, 08-08-2007 10:03:42  
Cripes! State-by-state CDL regs are almost as confusing as firearms laws between states.

As for farmers, knew one ol' buzzard who hauled mulch hay for years, with no CDL license. He finally got pulled over and cited for assorted safety violations, plus a citation for not having a CDL license.

He was hauling that hay from northcentral PA, down to the mushroom-growing farms near Philadelphia. Hauled it on a ten wheeler stake body, usually with a "pup" trailer hooked behind it. At least he had the proper plates on both rigs...I think?

Don't think his "I'm a farmer and don't need no license" excuse worked too well with the state trooper, given the rig he was driving half way across the state. ;o)

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NDS

08-08-2007 14:50:50




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to DennyF, 08-08-2007 13:50:16  
States can make their CDL regulations more restrictive than Federal regulations but not less restrictive. Federal regulations restrict farmer operated trucks to a distance of 150 air miles from home if driver does not have proper CDL.



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maplehillfrm,pat

08-07-2007 19:00:40




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to NDS, 08-07-2007 17:08:23  
IF??? you needed a cdl with this unit, it would be a class B, as class A is tractor trailer 80,000 lbs...

between the trucks 8000 lbs and the trailer 14000, you are way under 26000,



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NDS

08-08-2007 07:33:38




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to maplehillfrm,pat, 08-07-2007 19:00:40  
Federal Motor Carriers Safety Administration

The Federal standard requires states to issue CDL to drivers according to the following license classifications.

Class A--Any combination of vehicles with a GVWR of 26001 or more pounds provide the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.

Class B--Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds or ant such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds.

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Bob in NC IA

08-07-2007 20:34:58




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to maplehillfrm,pat, 08-07-2007 19:00:40  
I was told in Iowa that I need a Class A running empty. My SD 250 PowerStroke is 7200 lbs. and the trailer has a 20000 lb. rating. DOT said that makes me over 26000 lbs. empty and I needed a Class A regardless of tractor weight.



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maplehillfrm,pat

08-07-2007 16:09:20




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to John M, 08-07-2007 14:07:33  
they aint M's either but here is what I have and wouldnt be afraid to haul 2 m's up on there, I feel you are definatly going to want a gooseneck it will put the weight where you want and need it and pull and turn like a dream, I had a deckover bumper pull, I was not happy with it at all, it was the same lenght as this, and I hauled with it two times and went down and traded for this gooseneck, I wouldnt go back, you got plenty of truck to do it,,

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John M

08-07-2007 16:33:58




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to maplehillfrm,pat, 08-07-2007 16:09:20  
You pulling that with a 250? Looks like between the 2 of them it might be about the same as 2 Ms. Im not so worried about the truck,just wanted to see what everyones was putting behind it.Im very much considering a gooseneck,in fact have a guy whos almost willing to trade even for my current trailer, but I have to replace all the boards,put on new tires, which look pretty good, but I would change them anyways since they are regular truck tires,redo the brakes and buy a hitch.BUTTTTT T....its still cheaper than buying a new one.

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maplehillfrm,pat

08-07-2007 18:57:07




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to John M, 08-07-2007 16:33:58  
yes I pull it with a 250 superduty with v10. automatic,,tires and brakes are the main componenets of the trailer but you already know that, I have 10 ply all around, I wouldnt skimp on tires thats for sure,

sounds like a decent deal with the trailer your looking at hope it works out,

as far as cdl, I already have one but with this setup and probably yours , the GVW is WAY under 26000 lbs,

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maplehillfrm,pat

08-07-2007 16:13:15




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to maplehillfrm,pat, 08-07-2007 16:09:20  
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georgeky

08-07-2007 15:24:16




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to John M, 08-07-2007 14:07:33  
The F-350 will handle two M's with ease. When me and buddy of mine use to pull a lot we hauled a 1948 M weighing 6500 and a 1959 730 JD weighing 9500 with a F-350 and a 22 foot trailer. We backed the 730 on and pulled the M on. If both are tricycle the trailer doesn't have to be very long as you can run the front ends up beside one another. Oh our F-350 isn't even a dually. You have more than enough truck.

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ScottyHOMEy

08-07-2007 15:02:15




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to John M, 08-07-2007 14:07:33  
John, I haul my superC (WFE) and BN on a 20+5 deckover gooseneck behind a Ram 3500 (SRW) and Cummins and 6-speed handshaker. The trailer has two 7k single-wheel axles under it, and weighs a shade over 5k on it's own. Works well and goes down the road good. my full load is about 8k of pickup and 11/12k of trailer.

You'll likely need more trailer than I've got. A bare-bones M is about 5k before adding in common attachments like wheel weights and the like that can add up quickly. You'd likely want a longer deck, too, unless both tractors are NFs, in which case you *might* be able to angle them both on, nose by nose, but I'd think that extra 5' of flat deck would be useful. But by then you're over my 14k limit and the next step up is two 10k tandem axles. That would give you plenty of capacity, if you figure a 5' longer trailer (at, say 5500#), and still have capacity for 14k or better of tractor, more than enough for a couple of Ms.

I'd take the tandems over a triple-axle, fer sure.

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ScottyHOMEy

08-07-2007 15:07:09




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to ScottyHOMEy, 08-07-2007 15:02:15  
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This is my rig with Fawteen's F-14 on ahead of my SuperC getting ready to leave Les's show over near Woodstock, NH last July.



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DennyF

08-07-2007 14:47:18




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to John M, 08-07-2007 14:07:33  
Well, they ain't Ms, but a cousin totes a Ford Jubilee and Ford 861 Powermaster around the country fairly frequently. Had his trailer lengthened a few years back and some additional frame members installed at the same time, think it's now about 26' or 28' long. It was a pretty rugged trailer to begin with, now there's just more of it.

He pulls them with an E350 Ford van gasser. Told him once that he's got more money tied up in chains, ramps and binders, than I have tied up in tractors.

Personally, think he'd been farther ahead to have just gotten a HD deck-over equipment trailer, but he likes the lower trailer on long trips.

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Krumholz

08-07-2007 14:41:06




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 Re: Hauling 2 Tractors in reply to John M, 08-07-2007 14:07:33  
I have a friend who hauls a 13000 lb huge fifth wheel with a jeep behind it and have seen many large horse trailers behind trucks llike yours. The pulling setup such as a class IV hitch with load equalizing system or a gooseneck wold be the best.



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