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dlp

08-07-2007 04:32:13




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I have a hand crank w-30 that is a pain to start. If you pull it over a cylinder at a time, it won't start. If you start spinning it over it will catch after a bit. I'm confident my timing is correct, carb fine, & good vacuuum present. Will a weak mag cause this? My impulse is working fine also. Thanks for any ideas. Chiropractors aren't cheap!




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John M

08-07-2007 14:29:22




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 Re: weak magneto in reply to dlp, 08-07-2007 04:32:13  
Your mag is not, or should not be, like the one pictured below. Your magnet should be a horseshoe shaped magnet on the outside of the mag.Pull it off and see if it will stick to the side of the tractor and hold there, if not you have a weak magnet and will cause your problem. If it will stick, then points and condensor first. then if you still have the problem, then you need a new coil. If all that fails, then you have other problems. Email me and Ill tell you how to remagnitize the magnet.

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El Toro

08-07-2007 12:02:55




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 Re: weak magneto in reply to dlp, 08-07-2007 04:32:13  
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If you ever have it running you can pull that coil wire from the cap and see what the fire from the mag looks like. You may wany to use a pair of insulated pliers so you don't get bitten. Here'a mag off a garden tractor with weak magnets.
It's easy to check them with a flatblade screwdriver. If you ever decide to pull that mag
you need to note where the rotor is pointing and then after removing the mag don't move the engine.
When you reinstall the mag turn the rotor to the position on your note and install the mag. Hal

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old

08-07-2007 08:05:26




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 Re: weak magneto in reply to dlp, 08-07-2007 04:32:13  
As Hal has said. Also if the points are set wrong or dirty that will cause problems. Also spinning it over like you say you do if it miss fires it can and it will send you to the hospital, never do that. BTDT and found out by almost haveing one brake my arm years ago



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El Toro

08-07-2007 05:22:40




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 Re: weak magneto in reply to dlp, 08-07-2007 04:32:13  
Pull the coil wire from the cap and hold it near a good ground to see if you have a hot blue spark.
I wouldn't spin the crank since it can injure you.
You may have a weak coil or it could be weak magnets that have lost some of their magnetism. The magnets create the hot spark when they pass by the coil. I would try new points and condenser to see if that helps. Hal



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A. Bohemian

08-07-2007 09:23:06




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 Are You Cranking More and Enjoying it Less? in reply to El Toro, 08-07-2007 05:22:40  
Quote: ''If you pull it over a cylinder at a time, it won't start. If you start spinning it over it will catch after a bit.''

Yeah. Catch your arm or your head, maybe.

dlp, the SAFEST way to crank a tractor is to pull upwards, sharply, with the thumb NOT wraped around the handle.

Spinning a tractor engine with the crank is NOT recommended. Until you fix your problem, pull this tractor if you must start it and you just might avoid a painful accident.

True ''kickback'' (where the charge is ignited BEFORE top dead center while cranking, causing the engine to run backwards, thus locking the pawl and turning the crank into a lethal death machine) is less common in Farmalls than in Model T Fords, but it still happens. When it does, it can kill.

To address your post directly: test the ignition system by making one of Dell's patented ''calibrated'' spark testers.

Get a known good plug and bend the electrode out to 3/16.'' Ground it well and connect one of the spark wires to it. It should show a nice, fat blue spark. If the spark is narrow or off-color, that could account for your difficult starting.

If so you can experiment with the choke. You shouldn't need the choke at all in warm weather, but sometimes choking a recalcitrant tractor with a weak ignition can make it easier to start. It also makes it very easy to flood the carb, so be cautious...

You can also try the following, if you're not doing it already: BEFORE turning the ignition, pull on the crank six or eight times. THEN throw the ignition. This was the Farmall-recommended procedure.

You sound very certain your timing is correct and your impulse is working properly, but I have read on these boards several times of the exact symptoms you describe being caused by a sticking impulse. Giving the crank some warm-up pulls can help alleviate this symptom.

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