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don656

08-04-2007 18:27:52




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I have a 656 Farmall wide front. It doesn"t have the original rims on the front. Can anyone tell me how to tell what the correct rims are and where to get them? I want to use 6.50 x 16 tires. The Case dealer can get them but they are high priced.

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Don




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Hugh MacKay

08-05-2007 02:28:58




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 Re: 656 front rims in reply to don656, 08-04-2007 18:27:52  
Don: A 656 front wheel was not an IH wheel. They came standard from factory with 7.50x16 tires on a 6" rim. My 560 and 656 both had the same wheel. About the same time as I bought those tractors, I also bought two 8 ton non IH wagons that came with the same wheel. That wheel had very wide usage in the 60s and 70s. Once I had that many of those wheels around, I bought a spare wheel 7 tire, and it served for both tractors and both wagons.


If you want exactly as originals, call Miller Tire, ask them for 6 hole, 6" bolt circle, 6x16 size, +1-1/4 offset. Those are the exact specs of a 656 front wheel. By the way Miller's price for a new rim is $54.00. You can even ask Millers for 4.5x16, they are $52. and the offset is +1-1/8. I have a set of those with 6.50x16 tires, and tires match rims perfectly.

One other item, if you look at used wheels, all 6 bolt wheels from every 40-60 series, 04-06 series and 56 series will bolt right up to your hubs. Even the rims used on 140 and 240 will bolt to your 656, they were all 6 bolt, 6" bolt circle.

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Don656

08-05-2007 15:16:37




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 Re: 656 front rims in reply to Hugh MacKay, 08-05-2007 02:28:58  
Thanks for the info!

Are you sure about the 7.50 X 16 tires coming standard from the factory? My manual says "commonly equipped with 6.50 x 16 tires".

Don



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Hugh MacKay

08-05-2007 17:25:57




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 Re: 656 front rims in reply to Don656, 08-05-2007 15:16:37  
Don: This may have been a geographic issue. Both my 560 and 656 came with 7.50x16, now I was very close to potato country and a lot of tractors had front mounted cultivators. I can't say as I ever saw a 560, 706, 656, etc with anything smaller than 7.50x16 and by the late 60s the newer tractors were even wider. We were very used to H, M, 300, 400, etc with 6.50x16.

I liked the 7.50x16 on those two tractors, wouldn't have wanted any smaller. This was one complaint I had 35-40 years ago, tractors were becomming much larger and the tire size was not increasing in proportion to weight, size and hp. I always said my 2 wheel drive 1066 should have had 20-24 inch front tires. I was also running 16.9x38 on rear of 560 and 656 and 20.8x38 on 1066. Both my 560 and 656 came with 15.5x38 rears and let me tell you they were undertired. 16.9x38 made a real tractor out of both, I couldn't belive the difference when I made the change.

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Don656

08-07-2007 19:17:31




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 Re: 656 front rims in reply to Hugh MacKay, 08-05-2007 17:25:57  
Thanks again for the info. I also have 15.5 x 38 tires on the rear. With those tires on the rear and the 7.50 x 16 on the front, the tractor seems to be running uphill, i.e. the front C-channels are not level -- front end is high. Therefore, I thought the 6.50 x 16 tires would lower the front end and help level the tractor. Also, where the manual gives the front wheel tread dimensions, it says those figures are with the 6.50 x 16 tires. What are your thoughts about that?

Also, I called Miller Tire and they didn't have the 4.25 X 16 rims. They did have the 4.5 x 16 rims.

Don

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Hugh MacKay

08-08-2007 02:15:44




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 Re: 656 front rims in reply to Don656, 08-07-2007 19:17:31  
Don: My mistake, if I said 4.25x16, I intended to say 4.5x16. I have the Miller catalogue and yes it"s definitely 4.5, sorry about that.

I have a set of 4.5x16 rims with 6.50x16 tires, perfect match. I have these on my Farmall 130 to match 12.4x24 on rear. I have a front mounted snow blade, and while those tires look big on a 130, they keep me out of trouble much better when pushing snow. They roll over frozen obstacles much better than the 5.00x15 did. One area I always got in trouble, I"d push snow well off my driveway then could back out, the larger tires have made this much better.


I can understand your wanting to use the 6.50x16, as 7.50x16 will make it sit high on front with 15.5x38 rears. I"m rather sold on these larger front tires, and was even more sold on 16.9x38 rears on 560 and 656. I had a neighbor in Nova Scotia, farmed about 600 acres, flat as a floor and loam over gravel. His 5 tractors from 60 - 150 hp were all 4x4. I once asked him why as on that soil 2 wheel drive would serve well. His answer, "Those 24" front tires make tractor much smoother." Since that time I"ve taken his advice, often wished I"d asked before buying my new 1066 in 1975 with 2 wheel drive. This is why I"m always promoting larger front tires ride smoother, easier on front end and go over obstacles much easier. One day on tillage, making about 6 mph my 1066 front wheel dropped in a hole, went below surface, and by the time operator got stopped, front wheel and bottom half of spindle were under cultivator. IH engineers didn"t always have it right in my opinion.

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CNKS

08-04-2007 19:12:04




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 Re: 656 front rims in reply to don656, 08-04-2007 18:27:52  
Many salvage yards, etc also sell new parts. They will have or can get wheels that are very close to the correct ones. I bought a couple for my 460 that I bet only strict purists can tell from the originals. Also some tire dealers that sell implement tires have rims. I got a couple for the Swartz wfe on my M a few years back. They are not particularly expensive.



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