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DannyTN

08-03-2007 19:41:12




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I want to restore my grandfather's old super C tractor. Think it is a 55. Stopped running in early 70's due to stuck valve. Been parked in closed shed since. What would be first thing to do to get it running after it has set that long?




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A. Bohemian

08-04-2007 08:27:34




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 Special Legacy Tractor Advice (Long)! in reply to DannyTN, 08-03-2007 19:41:12  
Congratulations on it being kept indoors. Whatever is wrong with it, it would be in much worse shape if it had been left out in the weather.

Buy manuals! Read the Owner's Manual! A legacy tractor is special and there's no reason to take chances with it.

As for the stuck valve; the correct procedure depends on the answer to counter-questions, some of which may stir regrets, for which I apologize.

But we have to know: did your grandfather carefully examine the tractor and determine there was a stuck valve? Or did he listen to it run, ask you what went wrong, and say, ''Hopefully it's just a stuck valve, we'll look into it later?''

And, did it loose oil pressure? Unless you were watching the pressure guage you can't know. Did the tractor overheat?

Everyone has their own methods, and there's nothing wrong with any of the advice above, but these are important questions, without the answers to which which we are shooting in the dark.

From the info you DID give us, I'd start just by turning over the motor and paying attention. Leave the ignition off.

You're looking for any sign the compression is noticeably worse on one cylinder than the others. A hand crank is ideal for this, as you can FEEL the compression as resistance. But if you have only the starter, listen for a noise like, ''UH-UH-UH-whoosh!-UH-UH-UH-whoosh!...''

This won't tell you if there IS a stuck valve, just that the compression is bad. Everyone has their own philosophy for dealing with internal engine failure. I decided my Super C had many, many hours on the original engine and that it didn't really matter WHAT was causing the lack of compression, it was time, after forty years, for a rebuild.

I've yet to regret the decision.

But then, a stuck valve is often not that big a deal. It's too late now, but the best way to deal with a stuck valve is to IMMEDIATELY remove the load and let the engine idle for a minute or so at a moderate speed with NO LOAD, carefully watching the oil pressure. Often times the valve frees itself up.

But by trying to keep a load on the tractor, you may have bent the valve stem or otherwise jammed the valve. Still not a big deal. I''ve never done a valve job, so others will have to guide you through that proceedure.

Incidentally, I also have my grandfather's Super C, and I think I know why yours is identified as a '55 model. Your grandfather (like mine) waited until the dealer had the number series on the lot and was in a sweat to get rid of the old letter series, and then he picked up a bargain.

He, like my grandfather, probably drove it home in the early winter or spring of '55, which is why the family always thought of it as a '55 model; but it probably is a '54 model. Check the serial number as advised above.

Good luck and keep us posted.

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DannyTN

08-04-2007 22:26:50




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 Re: Special Legacy Tractor Advice (Long)! in reply to A. Bohemian, 08-04-2007 08:27:34  
All of the responses are great and more info than asking the tractor company guys years ago. My grandfather was on the porch of the store they ran, watching and listening when the tractor lost power. I do not know what led him to the diagnosis of a stuck valve. I do not remember any unusual mechanical sounds and would not have thought to look at the oil pressure gauge. I will try some of the suggestions given to see where that leads. I have been leaning toward an overhaul anyway just because of the time it has set up, and because I plan to repaint it. I learned the hard way not to repaint and then do serious work. The tractor has all of the basic farming equipment and an accessory to cut firewood by using a belt and pulley. The tractor is a great keepsake and I have helped bolt and unbolt the various implements over and over through the years. I also still have my father's 53 Golden Jubilee which I still use, but it is in serious need of restoration.

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georgeky

08-04-2007 06:22:05




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 Re: Old super C in reply to DannyTN, 08-03-2007 19:41:12  
Hal, is absolutely right about pulling that head. After reading your last post, since it happened while you where driving it something bound to happened. I thought maybe it stuck from sitting to long.



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El Toro

08-04-2007 05:06:57




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 Re: Old super C in reply to DannyTN, 08-03-2007 19:41:12  
I think you should pull the head and take a good look at the valves. There has to be a reason why that valve stuck. Could be a lot of carbon in the guide. You could do a complete valve job or have it done. Then you could see what the condition of the cylinders and pistons are. Hal



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georgeky

08-03-2007 20:55:08




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 Re: Old super C in reply to DannyTN, 08-03-2007 19:41:12  
Danny, if that valve is still all that is stuck, just take off the valve cover, pour a little tranny fluid around the valve stems, and peck on the stuck valve. Chances are good that it will come loose. I have fixed several old Farmalls and Briggs and Strattons this way. It may not be that simple,but it may very well work.



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old

08-03-2007 20:41:47




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 Re: Old super C in reply to DannyTN, 08-03-2007 19:41:12  
First thing I would do is fill all the cylinders with tranny fluid and also fill the exhaust manifold with tranny fluid. The walk away from it for a few days. Pull the plugs back out, be sure to always have the plugs in to keep out dirt etc. But any how pull the plugs back out and spin the engine over to clear the cylinders and then I would try to start it and see what happens. Tranny fluid clears lubes and just plain cleans things up and is cheap to boot and may even loosen up that valve

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Handyman

08-03-2007 20:27:43




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 Re: Old super C in reply to DannyTN, 08-03-2007 19:41:12  
pull the head and and find out why the valve is stuck, (rusted,bent,burnt,etc). while you have head off check cylinder bores for rust and apply oil to cylinder walls to lube them up a bit. new plugs, points, roter and cap and it should be good to go unless there is something serious wrong like cracked head or such



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DannyTN

08-03-2007 21:12:52




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 Re: Old super C in reply to Handyman, 08-03-2007 20:27:43  
What would be the best guess as to cause of stuck valve as I was using the tractor and it lost most of it's power? It barely had power to drive it back in the shed. It was working great to that point. My grandfather said it was because of a stuck valve and we never got to the repair as he passed away not long after. Just never got back to it.



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teddy52food

08-04-2007 15:02:27




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 Re: Old super C in reply to DannyTN, 08-03-2007 21:12:52  
Before you tear off the head, check the timing. It sounds like the distributer gears jumped a cog or two. Even running on 3 cylinders they will still have plenty power to pull itself to the shed. How did it sound? like one was missing or was it real doggy? Also you may have a push rod jumped off. Pull the valve cover if the timing checks ok. Let us know what you find.



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gene bender

08-03-2007 20:26:16




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 Re: Old super C in reply to DannyTN, 08-03-2007 19:41:12  
ya better check the serial# as they didnt build a SA in 55



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