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International farmall H ...oil coming out of exhaust update.

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hsojman

07-23-2007 07:43:00




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first of all thank you to everyone for the advice on this issue. I know that I am going to need an overhaul in the future, but putting 20w 50 oil in and cleaning the fouled out plugs made a world of difference. It has stopped smoking as bad and sounds 110% better. I did also find a leak in the radiator near the top. Can that be patched or should I order a new one? Thank you again appreciate the advice.

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GA Dave

07-23-2007 15:52:50




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 Re: International farmall H ...oil coming out of exhaust upd in reply to hsojman, 07-23-2007 07:43:00  
If your H is not running hot I would clean the area around the hole and use JB Weld. Might work untill you decide on a complete rebuild. David.



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LenND

07-23-2007 08:52:07




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 Re: International farmall H ...oil coming out of exhaust upd in reply to hsojman, 07-23-2007 07:43:00  
I would make a suggestion on the radiator. If you are going to the trouble to take it off and to a shop have them clean the inside out. It may pay for itself later on.



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old

07-23-2007 08:29:01




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 Re: International farmall H ...oil coming out of exhaust upd in reply to hsojman, 07-23-2007 07:43:00  
Well if the 20W-50 helped then a stright 40W would help even more. That 20W-50 for the most part is still a 20W oil that acts like a 50W when warm but still never gets as thick as a true 50W oil



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hsojman

07-23-2007 08:49:20




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 Re: International farmall H ...oil coming out of exhaust upd in reply to old, 07-23-2007 08:29:01  
what would that 40 weight do in the winter is the 20w 50 ok?



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old

07-23-2007 10:09:30




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 Re: International farmall H ...oil coming out of exhaust upd in reply to hsojman, 07-23-2007 08:49:20  
In the winter it would probably be to thick unless you live where it doesn't get all that cold



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hsojman

07-23-2007 10:57:31




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 Re: International farmall H ...oil coming out of exhaust upd in reply to old, 07-23-2007 10:09:30  
if it would be difficult to start in the winter with the 20w50... would a block heater work on that... my barn is not heated but i do have a block heater. I have a bucket on it and plan to use it to move snow if we have a heavy snowfall. I have a plow on a garden tractor that will work 75% of the time but want to be able to use this if there is a heavier snowfall.



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LenND

07-23-2007 13:44:41




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 Re: International farmall H ...oil coming out of exhaust upd in reply to hsojman, 07-23-2007 10:57:31  
I would use 20--50 with a block heater, 40 might still get pretty thick unless you are running that at high rpm's. Of course your cold weather might not be cold like mine.



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old

07-23-2007 11:05:47




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 Re: International farmall H ...oil coming out of exhaust upd in reply to hsojman, 07-23-2007 10:57:31  
20W-50 should be just fine unless you get a long period of time that it stays below 0 and even then any engine oil gets thick. A good block heater that keeps the coolant warm helps on any tractor or car or truck in the winter. Cold weather no matter waht is hard on any engine on a cold start

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dhermesc

07-23-2007 09:06:45




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 Re: International farmall H ...oil coming out of exhaust upd in reply to hsojman, 07-23-2007 08:49:20  
That 40W will be awfully thick in the winter - especially at start up. The 20W50 is thinner then 40W at start up but thicker when it reaches operating temp.

If your tractor was running hot or getting run hard 40W would probably be better - especially in the summer months, but if all you are doing is running it for light duty stick with the 20W50.

Polymers are added to a light base(5W, 10W, 20W), which prevent the oil from thinning as much as it warms up. At cold temperatures the polymers are coiled up and allow the oil to flow as their low numbers indicate. As the oil warms up the polymers begin to unwind into long chains that prevent the oil from thinning as much as it normally would. The result is that at 100 degrees C the oil has thinned only as much as the higher viscosity number indicates. Another way of looking at multi-vis oils is to think of a 20W-50 as a 20 weight oil that will not thin more than a 50 weight would when hot.

Always use a multi grade with the narrowest span of viscosity that is appropriate for the temperatures you are going to encounter. In the winter base your decision on the lowest temperature you will encounter, in the summer, the highest temperature you expect. The polymers can shear and burn forming deposits that can cause ring sticking and other problems. 10W-40 and 5W-30 require a lot of polymers(synthetics excluded) to achieve that range. This has caused problems in diesel engines, but fewer polymers are better for all engines. The wide viscosity range oils, in general, are more prone to viscosity and thermal breakdown due to the high polymer content.

In the end using straight 40W will give more thermal protection then using 20W50 under high temps, but the question is, are you using the thicker oil for thermal protection or to bridge the "tolerances" that wear has added to your engine?

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LenND

07-23-2007 09:02:01




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 Re: International farmall H ...oil coming out of exhaust upd in reply to hsojman, 07-23-2007 08:49:20  
If you live in cold country either 40 or 20-50 is way to heavy unless you have it stored in a heated building. If it does turn over it will sure wear out a good starter in a hurry.



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georgeky

07-23-2007 08:17:19




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 Re: International farmall H ...oil coming out of exhaust upd in reply to hsojman, 07-23-2007 07:43:00  
Any good radiator repair shop can fix that radiator.



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