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Leee

07-23-2007 04:44:34




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Does anyone have any tips for electric trailer brakes. Controller box was tested at trailer dealership and is working proper. Brakes engage when activated but will not lock wheels even on highest setting. Drums and pads look good. Adjustment is set where I can hear rubbing some when wheel is spun.




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the tractor vet

07-23-2007 08:08:46




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 Re: Electric Trailer Brakes in reply to Leee, 07-23-2007 04:44:34  
Now from what i was told by the head service manager at Dexter Axel as i had a brake failure one time and i stopped at the main plant to see what could be done and as Ron Kinas told me that Electric trailer brakes are not made to STOP you they are designed only to slow you down and if you have wheel lock then there is a problem . while i was there they found that the brakes on my trailer were suppose to have been replaced on a recall and they took my trailer in and did and up0 grade with new backing plates and magnits and shoes for free . The only thing that they said was that they would have realy liked the trailer not to be loaded as i had a load on comming from the Deere Expo but they managed to get it jacked up with the load anyway. . As Ron was telling me that the truck brakes was what was suppose to do the real stopping and the trailer brkes where just ment to take some of the load off the truck . He also told me that if i wanted real breaking power at the time then i needed to up grade to the Vac. over hyd. system as it was made for stopping or go bigger with the truck and go stright air brake. So if all the magnits are working and the shoes are good the spring kits are all good the drums are good and the surface where the magnits are rubbing are rust free and grease and oil free and you are getting electric to the magnits then that is all your going to get. This is the reason that ALL trucks have a towing limit that most people do not fallow as the truck braking system is only able to handel so much. And if something happens to one system or the other you will put racing strips in your shorts. Myself i had problems with my truck with it's brakes on hot days because of the locatin of the anti loc brake valve as it was wright next to the left exhaust pipe and on long pulls the heat would boil the brake fluid out of the valve and cause cavatation in the valve and when you came down on the truck brakes the pedal would go to the floor and you had NO brakes on the truck and the only way to get brakes back to the truck was to Bleed the whole system and remove the air pockets as this is when i found out that the big brakes on the trailer would only slow you down and not realy STOP you . It took me a long time to get the truck brakes to the point that you could somewhat trust them but had to remove all the antiloc stuff and reroute all the lines away from the left exhaust maifold and exhaust pipe . This is why i sorta frown on guys tryen to haul tractors with 1/2 ton trucks as today 1/2 tons are realy nothing more then a car with out a trunk and the 3/4 tons of today ain't much better . I have always went by what and old steel hauler told me many years ago that if ya want to haul IRON then it takes Iron to haul it. And one can never have enough truck or enough brakes .

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Allan In NE

07-23-2007 07:55:16




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 Re: Electric Trailer Brakes in reply to Leee, 07-23-2007 04:44:34  
What are you towing with? Some newer trucks don't throw much brake-juice below 15 mph.

Allan



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ScottyHOMEy

07-23-2007 06:22:22




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 Re: Electric Trailer Brakes in reply to Leee, 07-23-2007 04:44:34  
Most controllers will show an overload if you have a short , so I'd expectyou're alright there, and it's never a bad idea to check magnets and voltage at each wheel.

But I strongly suspect all you need is to adjust the shoes outward on each wheel. Adjust outward until they just begin to drag a little, then back it off one notch on the star wheel.

After adjusting shoes, I usually go for a spin where I can do a lot of braking so reseat the shoes, and then drive around where I can do as little braking as possible to let them cool down. You'll find them a little warm when you get home, but they should run cool once you've worn the high spots off the shoes on that first trip.

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City-Boy McCoy

07-23-2007 04:50:52




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 Re: Electric Trailer Brakes in reply to Leee, 07-23-2007 04:44:34  
Leeee: Over time, the magnets often go bad. They are easy to replace - you can do it yourself. They usually sell them at any good trailer place. But, first.... check your voltage at each backing plate to make sure the problem is not loss of voltage somewhere in the trailer or truck wiring. mike durhan



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City-Boy McCoy

07-23-2007 05:05:40




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 Re: Electric Trailer Brakes in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 07-23-2007 04:50:52  
Or, loss of a good ground. mike



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Janicholson

07-23-2007 05:34:57




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 Re: Electric Trailer Brakes in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 07-23-2007 05:05:40  
I'll add to this good info that the voltage check be done with the brakes working, small wires, or resistance in the connections, will provide full volts when tested while not operating the brakes, but be too low when operating the load of the magnets. JimN



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edss!!

07-23-2007 07:44:46




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 Re: Electric Trailer Brakes in reply to Janicholson, 07-23-2007 05:34:57  
Someone else already mentioned the ground. Make sure the trailer and the truck are grounded together. Also The brakes are operated by magnets so in most cases no adjustment of the shoes is needed. If you have voltage to the magnets and the magnets still don't work check the ground back to the truck. If you have continuity between the ground of the magnet on the trailer and the frame of the tow vehical then check and see if your magnet is good. I would think it unlikely that the magnets on both wheels are bad though So it is probably a loose or corroded connection.

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ScottyHOMEy

07-23-2007 09:38:44




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 Re: Electric Trailer Brakes in reply to edss!!, 07-23-2007 07:44:46  
Just to be clear --

Dexter recommends manually adjusting the brakes as I described after the initial 200 miles and every 3000 afterward.

Dexter's manual lists manual adjustment of the brakes, as I described, as the #1 thing to do/check when troubleshooting weak brakes.

What I hear is that the brakes are working but are weak. So the magnets are there and functioning. But the magnets can't do their job properly if the shoes are not adjusted to make proper contact with the drums.

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edss!!

07-23-2007 14:07:53




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 Re: Electric Trailer Brakes in reply to ScottyHOMEy, 07-23-2007 09:38:44  
The original poster stated "Adjustment is set where I can hear rubbing some when wheel is spun." That sounds like they are adjusted pretty close to where they need to be. Most of the problems I have had concerning the brakes on my trailers has always turned out to be electrical but I quess if they are out of adjustment far enough they wouldn't work right either. My controller in the cab of the truck has a slide switch that controls the current to the magnets when the brakes are applied. If my controller is not set right in the truck the brakes will be either to weak or hard.That might be something you could look at to. If the fridge isn't working make sure it's plugged in before you tear it apart.Hope it helps and good luck

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ScottyHOMEy

07-23-2007 15:05:30




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 Re: Electric Trailer Brakes in reply to edss!!, 07-23-2007 14:07:53  
Sorry my note sounded surlier than I meant.

I agree it's good to check the wiring before he goes tearing things apart and replacing magnets.
It's a durn sight easier to check his voltage at each, and to pop the plug out of the backing plate and adjust the brake than it is to pull a wheel and wind up having to replace a dinged up seal after you find out the magnet is okay.

That adjustment is something that can be easily donew from the outside. He said he has a little noise, but I've found that even a slack adjustment will make a little noise -- usually periodic, not steady. Everybody has a different sense of where that point is that they actually start to drag -- that point where they then need to back it up a notch . I leave the tire on my wheel when I'm adjusting -- makes it easier to feel the actual drag of the brake as I adjust it out.

I pointed it out only because I have had magnets go bad, and I've had my share of electrical gremlins, from brakes to light, but I've always had to adjust brakes periodically, even on those where the electrics have been fine.

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edss!!

07-23-2007 17:21:11




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 Re: Electric Trailer Brakes in reply to ScottyHOMEy, 07-23-2007 15:05:30  
Yes it would be a good idea to check the adjustment and it's easy enough to do.



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