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Loader changeover to hyd.bucket and down pressure

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r bond

07-18-2007 13:47:11




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I have an international B414 with loader-trip bucket. I want to convert it to a hydraulic bucket with down pressure on the lift arms and bucket. Anyone out there done that? Where can i tap into live hydraulic power without messing up the existing system? Any diagrams would be helpful.
Thanks Ron




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Fromjb2

07-18-2007 19:28:49




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 Re: Loader changeover to hyd.bucket and down pressure in reply to r bond, 07-18-2007 13:47:11  
Hi Ron, I have experience with 434 with IH 1500 loader with hydraulic bucket, no down pressure on lift arms then traded for 384 with IH 1550 loader with hydraulic bucket and double acting cylinders on lift arms.
If your tractor already has an aux remote outlet then you can do it the cheap way but 3pt CANNOT be operated at same time as loader.
Proper way is to re-route the high pressure line out of the hydraulic pump to the inlet of the loader spool valves, then outlet of spool valves to high pressure inlet of 3pt system in front of seat then dump outlet of spool valves to T that goes into 3pt filler plug behind the seat.

If I had a picture it would be easier.

Hope this helps.
JimB

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r bond

07-18-2007 14:28:52




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 Re: Loader changeover to hyd.bucket and down pressure in reply to r bond, 07-18-2007 13:47:11  
Sorry, I meant B414.
Thanks ron



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Janicholson

07-18-2007 14:21:36




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 Re: Loader changeover to hyd.bucket and down pressure in reply to r bond, 07-18-2007 13:47:11  
Diagrams are in the archives, so I will give some words.
A spool valve for two way cylinders(if open center system) in a diagram looks like a plus mark + the pressure goes into the in port Left projecting part of the + and goes around the spool valve and out the opposite side to the resivoir. A cylinder is placed so that the end ports of the 2way cylinder are connected to each end of the vertical part of the plus mark.
As the spool is moved in the valve, it shuts off the return flow (across the valve) as it directs fluid to one of the two cylinder hoses. It also lets fluid back into the other port and from there it returns to the resivoir.
If the valve is then returned to the middle, the port that was getting oil is again sealed off, as is the other port to the cylinder. the center is again open, allowing fluid to go left to right through the + valve. This holds the cylinder in that position. If the spool is moved in the opposite direction, the inlet port is connected to the other cylinder hose, and the return flow is again stopped causing the cylinder to move in the opposite direction. the fluid in the other end of the cylinder comes back (in what was a supply line and is now a return line) and goes to the outlet connection to the resivoir.
More than one two way cyl;inder can be connected to work this way, just put a T at one cylinder and run a hose to the same end on the other cylinder. Do this at both ends and all is well. Good luck JimN<

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r bond

07-18-2007 14:24:51




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 Re: Loader changeover to hyd.bucket and down pressure in reply to Janicholson, 07-18-2007 14:21:36  
Thanks Jim, but where in the archive is the diagram for the B275, and where do you tap into the hydraulics?
Thanks ron



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Mike Van

07-19-2007 03:27:34




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 Re: Loader changeover to hyd.bucket and down pressure in reply to r bond, 07-18-2007 14:24:51  
Ron, I don't know that specific model either - Just remember though, you can not use a Tee on the pressure side of the hydraulics, it won't work. Fluid will just take the easier path thru the Tee, rather than go where you want it to.



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Janicholson

07-18-2007 15:22:37




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 Re: Loader changeover to hyd.bucket and down pressure in reply to r bond, 07-18-2007 14:24:51  
I have no personal info on that model, and it probably is not in the archives. There are diagrams of two way cylinder systems. I would be giving you incorrect info if I attempted to tell you about that tractor's hydro system. I will say you need a pressure line (sense it has a loader on it I assume it has a valve controlling it) Probably a one way spool with open center. I would look to replace this valve with a two two way valves to get this job done. If it is a built in valve, it may be a valve with a control to use it as a two way, but that still leaves a second valve needed. A service manual from IH, or an IT manual from this site will help. JimN

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