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1940 H oil coming out of exhaust

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hsojman

07-18-2007 08:01:10




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I was givin this tractor and when I changed the oil I started getting oil out of the exhaust. I did not have this problem before I changed the oil. The oil pressure stays right around 18-20. Does anyone have any suggestions?

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John-Paul T

07-19-2007 12:58:57




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 Re: 1940 H oil coming out of exhaust in reply to hsojman, 07-18-2007 08:01:10  
In summer all I ever run is streight weight. Most all manuals pre 90s tell you this from lawn mowers, to garden tractors to the big stuff like this. Our IH 2500 tells you to use streight 30w in summer. Streight 10w in winter. Im only using multi viscosity in winter where Im going to use 10w-30 instead of the original 10w.

- Thin multi viscosity oil LEAKS out of these engines at start up and till engine is HOT! -

Reason is very simple. Tractors are not car engines. The tolerences are very loose in comparison. A car has tight rings so less blow by till engine warms, also more snug, often fluted oil rings to wipe cylinders clean on down stroke. Tractors well, when started rings are loose, very loose tolerence in contrast. So oil is left on the cylinder walls, not wiped off, AND the loose fit allows what oil can pass right by the compresion rings, and be burnt with gas in compresion stroke (and exit exhaust) till the rings swell enough to get to spec again and fit cylinder tight.

This is exactly why a real old worn engine chugs and may smoke till it warms up, rings are way worn. Its also why you should never tune a carb on a tractor till its fully warmed!

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Janicholson

07-19-2007 08:12:00




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 Re: 1940 H oil coming out of exhaust in reply to hsojman, 07-18-2007 08:01:10  
The connection to the air cleaner is made easily. Two 2-1/2" long pieces of oil resistant reinforced hose and 4 Stainless steel hose clamps are nreeded. The hose should fit snug on the carb intake snout. Go to a muffler shop that has a bender and have them make a steel tube of the correct diameter (same as the carb intake) bent in a sweeping 90 degree bend. This connects, with the other hose, to the air cleaner up under the hood toward the front of the air cleaner pointing down. I would make a cardboard "elbow" to give to the pipe bender as a pattern. It should be gapped 1/4 to 3/8" away from the carb and the aircleaner connection for ease of fit. To assemble, the upper hose is secured modestly to noyt fall off, then the bottom hose is pushed back on the new steel elbow so it can be aligned with the carb, then drawn forward and secured. Tighten all calmps and you are done. Looking in the parts book (caseih.com, follow the- start searching for parts here -link.
Also do not remove the steel mesh brillo pad material from the canister of the air cleaner, it is not removable, it is cleaned in mass and blown dry off of the tractor once every 5 to 40 years. PS, if the oilpressure improves, run that engine under some load for 3-6 hrs and you will find out where you are in its life cycle. Best of luck, JimN

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Bob Kerr

07-18-2007 18:55:50




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 Re: 1940 H oil coming out of exhaust in reply to hsojman, 07-18-2007 08:01:10  
I would check the oil level in the air cleaner cup. If water got in there it will raise the oil level too high and might suck some up and on through the engine. It could take a while for that oil to work its way up through the cleaner housing which is why it may have shown up after you changed oil. If it is too high, it may take a while for it to quit blowing oil out so don't be alarmed by that. If you take off the air cleaner you can clean the housing out with kero or gas and it shouldn't do it any more. Let us know what you find out.

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hsojman

07-19-2007 04:13:40




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 Re: 1940 H oil coming out of exhaust in reply to Bob Kerr, 07-18-2007 18:55:50  
In regards to the air cleaner cup... There is no hose going from the carb to the air cleaner. I am waiting on a shop manual for the H that I ordered it should be in next week and hopefully I can asses the problem a little better.

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dhermesc

07-18-2007 09:54:41




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 Re: 1940 H oil coming out of exhaust in reply to hsojman, 07-18-2007 08:01:10  
I guess the first question would be - what do you mean by "oil blowing out the exhaust"? Are you getting actual droplets flying through the air?

Is the smoke blue?

How long did you run it?

It could be as simple as a lot of moisture in the muffler (from sitting for so long) and combined with carbon you're getting what looks like oil droplets. I'd run it for several (4) hours and get an idea as to what you're dealing with (blue smoke, measurable oil loss etc..) before throwing parts at it or scheduling an overhaul.

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hsojman

07-18-2007 11:00:26




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 Re: 1940 H oil coming out of exhaust in reply to dhermesc, 07-18-2007 09:54:41  
in response to your questions.... The oil is coming up out of the bottom of the muffler by the manifold. i did not have this problem before I changed the oil. When I first changed the oil the tractor sounded better than it had in a long time. Then i started having problems with it. The smoke is white and I have run it off and on for 30-40 minute intervals. When I first started it i ran it for about an hour and a half. I know that the tractor sat in the same spot for almost 2 years and they said that it would not run. I then got it started. It was outside but the muffler has a flap that should have kept quite a bit of water out of it.

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John M

07-18-2007 15:12:46




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 Re: 1940 H oil coming out of exhaust in reply to hsojman, 07-18-2007 11:00:26  
Even though the cap was on the muffler, condensate can form on the inside of the engine causing rust, and causing sticking rings like old said.BTW, how much oil did you put in it?



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Owen Aaland

07-18-2007 12:42:39




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 Re: 1940 H oil coming out of exhaust in reply to hsojman, 07-18-2007 11:00:26  
The fact that you have oil coming out of the muffler and getting on the manifold tells me that the engine is running very cool Also you say the smoke is white. That sounds more like water than oil. A good portion of the exhaust from the engine is water vapor. If the engine is idling with no load and does not have a functioning thermostat it is quite likely what you are seeing is water mixed with soot from combustion. This is usually more often seen on diesels but it is possible for it to happen on gas engines too. If you have only been running the engine under no load for as long as you said you probably have sparkplugs starting to foul out from soot deposits. With todays fuels you should be using Champion D18Y rather than the original D15Y plugs. If you are not using the tractor for any heavy work you may have to go to D21 plugs. Do not use D21s if you are going to be using it for heavy work as they will cause preignition problems. If you want to use a brand other than Champion, just cross those numbers to which every brand you like.

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hsojman

07-19-2007 06:21:31




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 Re: 1940 H oil coming out of exhaust in reply to Owen Aaland, 07-18-2007 12:42:39  
I changed the oil with 20w 50 and will put new plugs in it tonight and see if that will make a difference. I would like to get the air cleaner hooked back up like i said before there is no tube from the carb to the cleaner cup. Is there a part that I can order or can I just make one out of piping .... if so what kind should I use. Thanks for the insight.



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old

07-18-2007 11:27:16




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 Re: 1940 H oil coming out of exhaust in reply to hsojman, 07-18-2007 11:00:26  
Stiing that long theres a very good chance that it has a ring or 2 stuck. I would pour some tranny fluid in each cylinder and let it sit a few days.



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georgeky

07-18-2007 10:16:40




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 Re: 1940 H oil coming out of exhaust in reply to dhermesc, 07-18-2007 09:54:41  
I started my M the other day for the first time in three weeks and it covered me up with a black mess. It must have developed a hole in the muffler. There is nothing wrong with it.



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old

07-18-2007 09:42:27




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 Re: 1940 H oil coming out of exhaust in reply to hsojman, 07-18-2007 08:01:10  
You may have a few thing wrong or that you could do to help with that problem. First off how long did it sit before you got it. If it sat a long time it may have stuck rings which will cause that problem. Also if you used a muti weight oil in it you could go to a 30W or 40W or even a 50W stright weight oil and do that would problaby help a lot. Now if its wore out like its most likely to be all the heavy weight oil will do is be a stop gap fix to get you by for a whilte

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Janicholson

07-18-2007 09:35:15




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 Re: 1940 H oil coming out of exhaust in reply to hsojman, 07-18-2007 08:01:10  
I'll add to Rusty's prognosis that if you put 5 -30 oil in it that could also be an issue. I would put in 20-W50 from Kendall or other brand supplier to see if it makes a big difference. It is an inexpensive "cure". If you intend to work the tractor, and the oil is only partially helpful, I would rebuild. With your labor and a grand, it can be done on a running tractor. JimN



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RustyFarmall

07-18-2007 09:06:42




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 Re: 1940 H oil coming out of exhaust in reply to hsojman, 07-18-2007 08:01:10  
That oil pressure is on the low side, couple that with oil blowing out the exhaust, and the only cure is an engine rebuild. Sleeves, pistons, bearings, the works. Since the tractor was given to you, it is worth investing some money in.



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