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Goose

07-15-2007 16:18:59




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I recently converted my Allis D19 to a 12 volt GM internally regulated alternator. Out of necessity; the generator quit working, and I had several good GM alternators on the shelf.

I'd like to do the same to my H so I could put some decent lights on it. But-the GM alternator is too big to fit under the hood where the original 6 volt generator sits. I noticed there is room to mount the alternator on the right rear of the engine in front of the gas tank.

So, my idea is mount the alternator in a fixed position back there, then mount a bearing block with a 2 1/2 inch pulley in place of the generator and run a 1/2 inch drive shaft back to run the alternator. You'd need to put a couple of small u joints in the shaft, and you could direct drive the alternator by welding something onto the pulley nut that would connect to the shaft. My theory is, the tractors electrical system doesn't know where the alternator is as long as it's turning at the proper rpm, and it would all fit under the hood with nothing showing externally.

Wacky or not?

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Hugh MacKay

07-16-2007 01:59:59




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 Re: Wacky Idea? in reply to Goose, 07-15-2007 16:18:59  
Goose: I agree with Brownie and little john, the Delco can be made to fit, however you have little room for belt adjustment.

I'd far sooner go with F Dean's idea on the hitachi. I have a 4 cylinder Toyoto Camery here and I know that alternator would fit, giving lots of room. You'll buy either one of those alternators for less money than a reliable shaft bearing and pulley arrangement your talking about. Even new alternators are relatively inexpensive today.

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Brownie450

07-15-2007 16:58:49




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 Re: Wacky Idea? in reply to Goose, 07-15-2007 16:18:59  
Your Delco will fit. Use a length of threaded rod[3/8 usually works]. You may want to turn the mounting bracket upside down, & lengthen the holes as needed. You may need a shorter belt. Make a different tightener by hinging 2 pieces of flat 1/4 or 5/16 steel to the correct length with holes at each end [one on gen, & one to engine]. Tighten belt , & lock all bolts on tightener bracket.



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little john

07-15-2007 16:40:32




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 Re: Wacky Idea? in reply to Goose, 07-15-2007 16:18:59  
A delco will work. It's a tight fit but can be done. I've put a photo of a Delco on an "H" over in the gallery section "Parts and Pieces". I had a similar installation on my "H". Original picture was from "whfromal".



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F-Dean

07-15-2007 16:37:24




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 Re: Wacky Idea? in reply to Goose, 07-15-2007 16:18:59  
BIG JOHN has been putting a Hitachi #14231 alternator on several tractors in place of a generator under the hood. This alternator was used on 1978-79 Nissan 620 pickup with a 2 liter engine and a 1980 Nissan 720 pickup with a 2 liter engine. At NAPA it is part #2138130. The cost of a rebuilt alternator is approximately $50 + core (And they won’t take a generator as a core). The alternator is 4 1/2" in diameter and 7" in length and will go right on the original mountings on the tractor. Use an 8" x 3/8" bolt and some pipe and/or washers for spacers. Being Hitachi means that it is METRIC. You will need to drill out the mountings to 3/8". The tension adjusting bolt is also metric thread. The alternator is a three (3) wire set up which can be converted to one (1) wire. There are spade connections labeled S & L and a BAT post connection. The L spade is for the idiot light and can be disregarded. Use a jumper wire from the S spade to the BAT post and you are good to go. The pulley may be a split type that you can widen using a spacer (once again metric). You may need to use a disc type lock washer and some “Locktite” because there won't be room to reuse the split lock washer that comes with it. I put the washer between to parts of the pulley to make it fit the existing belt. I have installed 4 Hitachi alternators – two were split pulley and the most recent two were not.
There is a built-in regulator and a resister to keep the battery from feeding back to the alternator. This is a sweet fit under the hood that he has used on H's, M's and W models, also Cubs and many others. I add the following from my experience:
Be sure to switch the polarity of the battery to Negative ground to avoid damaging the Alternator.
Consequently, you need to switch the wires on the coil, if you are using a coil.
Use a plastic covered connection when you connect the jumper wire from the S spade
On a Farmall M, turning the bracket upside-down will allow the alternator to fit nicely inside the hood using the existing generator belt.
I have installed two Hitachi #14231 alternators on two Ms and two on F-20s without any problems.

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