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CRAIG MN

07-14-2007 05:03:40




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Hopefully you experienced guys can help with this one. I am new to the whole farm thing, Have an M with a 3pt and live hydraulics. I hired my hayfield mow, rake and baling this year as I am still aquiring equip. I moved the bales off the field myself and learned first hand what my hired baler was complaining about: MY FIELD WILL SHAKE YOU AND YOUR EQUIPMENT TO PIECES. I have great hay and I do not want to loose it and start over, is there anything that can be done using my M to correct this field without ruining my crop? Do I hire someone else to fix it or do I just live with it and drive slow?

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Jimer

07-14-2007 20:07:13




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 Re: Rough hayfield in reply to CRAIG MN, 07-14-2007 05:03:40  
I am not sure of the details but it seems to me that here in MN the FSA allows light disking or other light tillage on CRP fields to smooth them out. This can be done without destroying the CRP that is planted. Wouldn't something like this work?



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Randy as in Randy-IA

07-14-2007 18:41:12




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 Re: Rough hayfield in reply to CRAIG MN, 07-14-2007 05:03:40  
Hi , I don't know how to fix this problem either . My field is getting a little rough due in part to the clump grasses not filling in completely yet . The agco dealer about twenty miles north of here has a huge roller for rolling fields . The roller itself is about 10 to 12 feet long and is about 5 feet in diameter , swings hydraulicly into transport position and was measured by my eyeballs at a distance of a couple hundred feet :-) . It's new and they rent it out ( I asked ) , for what exactly I don't know . I assumed it was for smoothing rough fields but maybe not . I thought about trying it next spring . The rent was only 6 or 7 dollars a acre . ...Randy

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Hugh MacKay

07-14-2007 12:14:49




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 Re: Rough hayfield in reply to CRAIG MN, 07-14-2007 05:03:40  
Craig: You have an M and you live in MN. Your soil must freeze hard in winter. What you need is an upstate New York roller. These were made using two 6' long steel cylinders that nicely fit over an M's 38" tires, almost to the fenders. The attachment is very similar to snap on duals. I've seen several systems used for the front end. The most common was a cone shaped cylinders that went over narrow front wheels and attached much the same as the rear cylinder rollers. Some used a caster type roller out front, with hydraulics on roller taking 75% of front end weight. My favourite was a 6' diameter steering roller on a loader taking all front weight, and you steered it using bucket cylinder valve. I like this last one best as the large diameter front roller carries best on soft ground.

The guys in NY would hit the fields in spring just as frost was coming out, with these self propelled rollers. I think Bob M has a few photos of these. Someone in NY is bound to have one.

The advice you already have on plowing is by far the best solution. The other folks have given you good advice. Getting rough fields smooth is much like grading gravel roads, you've got to cut it below the deepest hole. Pay particular attention to Allan, his dad probably taught him much the same as my dad taught me. If the seeded hayfield wasn't smooth enough to get his 57 or 59 Chevy sedan up to 50mph, someone screwed up on tillage. Believe me that was damn smooth, that old 59 Chevy would bottom out if a wheel dropped in a tractor tread mark.

I'm only suggesting the M roller as a short term solution. Maybe you only want to plow a small percentage each year. These rollers were popular in high rainfall areas where some rutting was unavoidable in wet years. I doubt if Allan has experienced that.

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sd pete

07-14-2007 10:50:35




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 Re: Rough hayfield in reply to CRAIG MN, 07-14-2007 05:03:40  
I used to pull an old oliver drill seeding many acres of hay land. And i made a contraption with old Gleaner rattle chains that i chained up to the drill and you could bale alfalfa at 7 miles an hour.



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P Backus

07-14-2007 08:33:48




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 Re: Rough hayfield in reply to CRAIG MN, 07-14-2007 05:03:40  
I am a custom baler and some of my customer"s fields are really rough, and yes, it does destroy equipment.

Kind of a variation on what Allan said is that you never work the field the opposite direction of what you would plant and harvest it. Especially primary tillage, but even when working it with a field cultivator, I will work at a gentile diagonal, but never opposite.

Paul



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Allan In NE

07-14-2007 07:40:13




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 Re: Rough hayfield in reply to CRAIG MN, 07-14-2007 05:03:40  
Hi Craig,

I was raised on a flood irrigated farm so this just comes naturally.

Every blessed operation has to be done so that the ground is left smooth as a pool table. You learn very early on that you never, ever make two passes in the same direction on the same field. Always be changing the angle of the work and each implement you use has to be set correctly to leave the ground smooth.

Like the other guys say, your only recourse is to plow 'er up and start all over.

Allan

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Janicholson

07-14-2007 07:24:21




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 Re: Rough hayfield in reply to CRAIG MN, 07-14-2007 05:03:40  
If it is saturated with water, it will Roll flat, but pulling the roller takes a high flotation vehicle (low pressure per sq ft). Why not try one of these ideas:
Do one half the field as is, and plow and smooth the other half.
Use a blade or leveler to scarf off the lumps and deposit them into the valleys (best done in the winter when the grass won't tear up into root balls) JimN



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HIGGI

07-14-2007 06:58:40




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 Re: Rough hayfield in reply to CRAIG MN, 07-14-2007 05:03:40  
For some reason here in Indiana I have the same thing....every year mine gets worse! Guess I have to go rent some ground for hay and plow mine up....
Now at the neighbors where i make hay they have a neighbor hood dog that digs up all the mice and moles..what a h of a mess that makes....that dog is fast tooooo ! Can't Rake Him, Mow him or even Bale him :)



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the tractor vet

07-14-2007 06:26:33




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 Re: Rough hayfield in reply to CRAIG MN, 07-14-2007 05:03:40  
Not much with out plowen it down and worken the ground and usen a culipacker before replanting and and running the packer back over it after ya plant . Don't know what ya have for hay so that will determen what ya can do . Ya may have to pull it out of hay for a couple years and plat something else . If ya could find one of them old rollers that was used way back before i was a kid ya may be able to roll it in the spring like a yard , don't know how that would work. With use if a field startes to get to rough then it is pulled out of hay and rotated into corn for two years then barley then back to hay. Ever since we bought the culipacker our hay fields are almost as smooth as a parking lot, unless the groundhogs put a few pot holes in it.

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