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Patrick Martin

07-11-2007 19:43:12




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..... for putting hydraulics on my 100.

I have this neat lil' drag that I bought this weekedn and it has a small ram on the rear wheel for picking it up and setting it down. Pretty neat little unit that is juuuuu ust small enough to drag behind my little tractor.

I have heard of you guys putting a Charlyn pump up front and using the engine to drive it but what about using a pump out back?

I have a few extra large power steering pumps from my military trucks that might be quite adaptable to this use. What if I machined a large pulley to slide over my over ride clutch (to be on the safe side) and welded it in place then run a belt to the PS pump that I will mount on a fabbed bracket under the seat. Splice in a control vavle and as long as I have the PTO engaged I should have juice right?????

Or bad idea?

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Nat 2

07-12-2007 05:45:25




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 Re: So I have this idea........ in reply to Patrick Martin, 07-11-2007 19:43:12  
Since the remote valves for the C/Super C/200 are kinda tough to find in my experience, why not use a bypass block on the factory hydraulics? There is a machinist selling them for very reasonable prices on Ebay right now.

You install the bypass block in between the hydraulic manifold and the touch control block, then run hoses to a readily-available open-center hydraulic remote valve. Add quick connects to the work ports on the valve, mount it somewhere convenient, and viola!

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Randy in NE

07-12-2007 05:10:42




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 Re: So I have this idea........ in reply to Patrick Martin, 07-11-2007 19:43:12  
If you put a priority valve on the side of your hydraulic unit this will do the trick, as long as you have a two way cylinder on the drag. The hydraulic unit holds less than one gallon so it doesn't have the capacity to handle a one way cylinder. Check Saginaw County tractor parts. I have a setup on one of my C's with a 2 1/2 gallon tank that I have connected into the suction side of the pump. We use it to raise the hoist on an old farm wagon. It isn't fast but it gets the job done. We only use this once a year when we dig potatoes.

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Hugh MacKay

07-12-2007 02:05:00




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 Re: So I have this idea........ in reply to Patrick Martin, 07-11-2007 19:43:12  
Patrick: Why not put a neat remote hydraulic control valve on the tractors current hydrauilc system.

To start with, power steering pumps for the most part are designed for close to 1 to 1 ratio with crankshaft of engines that turn 20% faster than your 100. Your going to install this on a pto or belt pulley shaft having less than 1/2 the speed, and in the case of pto probably 1/4 speed the steering pump was designed for. Why you could find a hand pump off an old porta power, would probably be just as fast.

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georgeky

07-11-2007 23:40:46




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 Re: So I have this idea........ in reply to Patrick Martin, 07-11-2007 19:43:12  
Patrick, sorry for calling you Steven, I had planned to say look at Steven in ND's pics above of the C and you can see the hose and valve set up on his. It will work on the 100 as well, as long as it has the hydraulic box and pump on it. I went to bed at 7 PM and here I am up and still slow to think I guess.



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georgeky

07-11-2007 22:35:40




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 Re: So I have this idea........ in reply to Patrick Martin, 07-11-2007 19:43:12  
Steven, you shouldn't need any of that. There is an IH valve that will mount to the right side of the hydraulic unit and allow you to run hydraulic couplers to the back end for the drag or any other rear implement. I have a set on my 49 C. The same valve that works the fast hitch from a Super C or 200 will work fine. I raise a 7 foot heavy duty Bushhog up with it with no problem at all. I have used it to move stuff around and it will pick up a 10 foot disc with no trouble.

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the Unforgiven

07-11-2007 21:03:29




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 Re: So I have this idea........ in reply to Patrick Martin, 07-11-2007 19:43:12  
I have a Farmand on an F20 with a pto pump. It has what looks like a regular small spine to standard adapter, but it is extra long. The drive on the pump is hollow, so you slide the pump on the pto and the excess sticks out the other side, so you can still hook a pto shaft to it. Has a bracket to stabilize the pump. The adapter and pump are probably standard Farmhand stuff. I have also considered skinning out an old TommyLift and making a 12V over hydraulic lift for an A.

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GA Dave

07-11-2007 20:30:47




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 Re: So I have this idea........ in reply to Patrick Martin, 07-11-2007 19:43:12  
I thought about the need for a reservoir also. Owen brought up a good point about belt shielding. Refer to OSHA Spec. #863428701-3471139 subsection 22943. The reservoir will need to be tested to OSHA Spec. #107482036-592084 subsection 90316. I,m not even going to get into the vent, mounting, fittings and hose specs. so use good judgment. You can never be too safe. David.



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Owen Aaland

07-11-2007 19:59:27




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 Re: So I have this idea........ in reply to Patrick Martin, 07-11-2007 19:43:12  
It should work but there are some areas of concern.

The first thing is you would be adding belts and pulleys in the area where the operater sits so you would have to make sure that you had proper shielding to prevent injuries.

The PTO runs at about 1/3 of the RPM of the engine so you would need a pulley three times as big on the PTO as you would on the crankshaft.

You only have hydraulics when the clutch and PTO is engaged. It might work fine for your application but may not be so handy when you find something else you want to use with hydraulics.

Something else to think about,your engine block should be able to accept a hydraulic pump so if you could find a pump and gear you could still fabricate your own reservoir and plumbing and have a much more user friendly system.

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Patrick Martin

07-11-2007 19:49:33




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 Re: So I have this idea........ in reply to Patrick Martin, 07-11-2007 19:43:12  
AND....the point of welding the pulley to the override clutch and not just using a belt pulley is to keep my splined shaft so that I can still run a PTO driven implement.



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Patrick Martin

07-11-2007 21:12:30




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 Re: So I have this idea........ in reply to Patrick Martin, 07-11-2007 19:49:33  
Great input guys! Now I must admit.....I don't run a PTO sheild on my little machine or my M's and haven't planned on putting one on it So that's why I was going to run the belt horizontally under the seat and perhaps install a small sheild for the belt there.



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Janicholson

07-12-2007 06:18:56




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 Re: So I have this idea........ in reply to Patrick Martin, 07-11-2007 21:12:30  
Patrick,
Three things make me agree with those that would have you use the existing Hyd. as they explained.
1) The overrun clutch should not be welded on.
2) Some of the implements you use with a PTO will need to be raised and lowered while driving to and from the field, and or parking them. (not possible unless spinning the implement)
3) Belt and pulley safety. Prudence is the key issue. I have had near tragic experiences from unshielded PTO shafts. Many neighbors have had the actual tragedy. The time it takes to put them on is always justified. A neighbor explained why. He said a buddy told him "It is just like a hard hat the rude thing is always causing me to bump my head" "It is a urinary receptical" He told the buddy "is it not true that you would have bumped your haed anyway and cracked your skull??" JimN

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the Unforgiven

07-12-2007 10:40:57




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 Re: So I have this idea........ in reply to Janicholson, 07-12-2007 06:18:56  
Well yeah Patrick, you didn't mention that you have some hydraulics already.



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