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A binding question about an H. How fast?

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Crazy Red Power

07-08-2007 13:21:52

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I'm as green as my oats on this subject. I have a ground drive 7ft. Mc-D binder that I plan on using for oats in a month or so. The oats were broadcast in spring & I have a few spots of overlap where they came up pretty thick. I'm using an H to pull the binder & I am concerned the binder is going to bind up in the dense stuff. What gear do I use in regular crop density & do I speed up or slow down when I get into the heavy spots? Also, do I need the extra person on the seat? Or, can I just set everything before I get started? I only have about 4 acres to bind & everything came up pretty even.

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vernMN

07-08-2007 23:43:15

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Re: A binding question about an H. How fast? in reply to Crazy Red Power - S.E.-Wi, 07-08-2007 13:21:52

My dad had an 8 foot power take off driven John Deere grain binder. I started out driving on a binder cutting oats when I was 8, driving a Farmall H. Third gear and a little over 3/4 throttle.

When you get real good, you can make a nice square corner, but the person on the binder has to hold on.

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Chuck46

07-08-2007 20:59:35

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Re: A binding question about an H. How fast? in reply to Crazy Red Power - S.E.-Wi, 07-08-2007 13:21:52

Hi, I started driving my dads H on a 8 ft. McCormick Deering binder when I was 8. Third gear and third notch from wide open. In a thistle patch you had to run wide open to keep the bull wheel from sliding. If the binder stopped once you would make sure it didn't again, it was not fun to clean it out and get it going again. The first round you dump the bundle carrier every 6 bundles, then in the same spot each round after that, it made shocking much easier. Yes you need someone on the binder to adjust the cutting height,the reel height, and the reel forward or back. Just keep the heads tipping onto the canvas, if it is too low it wiil shell. If the grain is down run it low and forward, and find pickup fingers to attach to every 6th sickle gaurd. If you don't have help you will need one of the setups Hugh mentioned. Also adjust the shuttle boards on the tying head to get the string placed right on the bundle, They are much easier to handle if the string is placed right. Good luck, Chuck

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georgeky

07-08-2007 21:37:43

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Re: A binding question about an H. How fast? in reply to Chuck46, 07-08-2007 20:59:35

I ran a big polk bush in dads AC 560 all crop combine once. Was purple from head to toe before I got that damn thing unpluged. I never done that again either. Got off and cut those polk stalks out of the way after that.

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chuck46

07-09-2007 08:41:43

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Re: A binding question about an H. How fast? in reply to georgeky, 07-08-2007 21:37:43

Hi, Lived all my life in Mn. What is a polk bush, sounds like something we don't want. Chuck

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Goose

07-08-2007 18:58:58

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Re: A binding question about an H. How fast? in reply to Crazy Red Power - S.E.-Wi, 07-08-2007 13:21:52

When I was a little kid, my father pulled a JD binder behind a Fordson tractor. Before I was big enough to run the bundle carrier on the binder, my father rigged a system of ropes and pulleys so he could clutch and steer the tractor from the binder. He'd go down the field riding on the binder and steering the tractor.

One day, one of the steering ropes broke, and he went around in circles. The clutch rope wasn't perfected and wouldn't be tight enough to work unless the outfit was going straight. So-he had to jump off the binder and run in between the binder and tractor to jump on the tractor. Thankfully, the Fordsons didn't go all that fast.

Memories!

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Hugh MacKay

07-08-2007 20:03:42

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Re: A binding question about an H. How fast? in reply to Goose, 07-08-2007 18:58:58

IH actually built a set of controls to operate any Farmall tractor having the steering shaft along the top of engine, basically F-12, E-20, F-30, H, M, etc. You removed the steering wheel, hooked a shaft from the binder and mounted steering wheel on the binder. How one controlled the clutch and brakes, I'm not sure.

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chuck46

07-08-2007 20:33:00

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Re: A binding question about an H. How fast? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-08-2007 20:03:42

Hi Hugh, My dad used one of them for years until us kids got old enough to drive, It is still here, it consits of a steering shaft and wheel with u joints and mountings that attached to the spokes of the tractor steering wheel. A hand clutch with a spring loaded cable, you couldn't stop if you were turning to the left. No brakes and the throttle was set and stayed there. It did have a magneto switch for emergency. Dad said it was a handfull but he cut 30 to 40 acres/year. Then came the shocking. People driving these 1/4 million dollar combines today have no idea. Chuck

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Owen Aaland

07-08-2007 18:00:14

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Re: A binding question about an H. How fast? in reply to Crazy Red Power - S.E.-Wi, 07-08-2007 13:21:52

When my dad would cut oats with no one to help he would remove the bundle carrier and just drop them on the ground. I was probably five or six at the time . Too small to run the bundle carrier but not too small to help carry bundles to a pile so he could set the shock.

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Hugh MacKay

07-08-2007 15:17:29

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Re: A binding question about an H. How fast? in reply to Crazy Red Power - S.E.-Wi, 07-08-2007 13:21:52

I've pulled a 5 ft binder behind a Cub in 2nd gear. Also a 7 " behind 130 in 2nd gear. I've forgotten the speeds, however I think 130 is faster than an H in 2nd, and quite a bit faster in 3rd. I remember 3rd in the 130 would shake the old binder quite badly, but 2nd was just a bit slower than necessary. You'll probably be able to throttle back with the H in 3, if you find it too fast, and still have lots of power. We lost too much power throttling back 130 in 3rd.

I see by the manual 130 speeds on 9.5x24 tires are 3.7 in 2nd and 4.8 in 3rd. Our 130 probably would have been close to 10% faster on 12.4x24 tires.

It will not help to slow down much with the ground drive binder. If you drive too slow in heavy going the drive wheel will stop turning and drag. Been there and done that. Our neighbor had a pto drive on his 8' binder. In real heavy going he could drop to 1st gear and do beautful work. Even on the 7', I'd look around for a pto driveline. They are actually quite simple, you could probably build one quite easily.

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Brownie450

07-08-2007 14:57:56

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Re: A binding question about an H. How fast? in reply to Crazy Red Power - S.E.-Wi, 07-08-2007 13:21:52

Our old binder never seemed to cause trouble in heavier oats, as long as the sickle was sharp. As far as the man on the seat of the binder goes, he had to trip the lever to dump bundles where they accumulated on the binder after being tied. Can't remember how many bundles were dumped at a time, though--maybe six or eight. Most horse equipment was designed to be run at the speed a horse would walk. We run the endgate seeder about 4 mph.

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Al -VA

07-08-2007 15:26:26

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Re: A binding question about an H. How fast? in reply to Brownie450, 07-08-2007 14:57:56

Nine bundles for our shocks. Whew makes me tired just thinks of it.

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randy hall

07-08-2007 14:49:48

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Re: A binding question about an H. How fast? in reply to Crazy Red Power - S.E.-Wi, 07-08-2007 13:21:52

i use second gear about a third open on the throttle with a super h when we cut wheat to thresh at the fair with my seven foot deering binder.

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HENRY E NC

07-08-2007 19:40:05

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Re: A binding question about an H. How fast? in reply to randy hall, 07-08-2007 14:49:48

2nd gear 1/3 open sounds about right. We ran binders on wheat and oats all thru WW II and on into the late 40's . They were supposed to be horse drawn but we pulled them with an A until 1947 when we got our H. We always had two binders around because they always broke down in the field when harvesting so one was always working while the other was getting repaired. Binders are delicate machines are were not made to be speedy.

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Big Red Man

07-10-2007 20:32:52

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Re: A binding question about an H. How fast? in reply to HENRY E NC, 07-08-2007 19:40:05

In heavy stuff, don't try to cut a full swath. That way you won't have to plug it up.

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