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jimbintexas

07-06-2007 20:22:06




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I have a 240-U on which I put a new 8v battery in 2003. Since that time, I have had starter rebuilt, replaced ignition key, and now it's in the shop with generator problems. Is this because of the use of an 8-V battery, or is it just a coincidence? thanks




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JimbinTexas

07-13-2007 17:02:02




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 Re: 6vs 8v batt in reply to jimbintexas, 07-06-2007 20:22:06  
Thanks for the replys. Some of you know much more than I do about electricity. However, I had the generator rebuilt, and bought a new "6-volt" battery at Tractor Supply. While at the store, I compared CCA (Cold Cranking Amps) with some other new batteries. The 6-volt I bought actually has more cca's than some of the 8-volt batteries. Anyway, my tractor starts fine now, and I'll probably stick with 6-volts till I get a new tractor. Thanks again. Jim

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John-Paul T

07-13-2007 14:40:57




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 Re: 6vs 8v batt in reply to jimbintexas, 07-06-2007 20:22:06  
"Doesnt draw much more current at 8v vs 6v."

You mean it draws LESS current at 8v then 6v.
When you raise volts the current draw is less.

VOltsxamps=watts

watts is power consumption and is the ONLY constant in this.

The variables are volts and amps, the device always draws same power regardless of how those two vary.

So take a 120watt started (making this up)
120watt at 6v would draw 20amps
120watt at 8v would draw 15amps

Ohms law electronics lesson 1 haha. Ya Im a electronic/eletric geek cant help it. Love the stuff. Even build my own guitar effect procesors. (what do you expect from a pc technician?)

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Andy Motteberg

07-08-2007 13:34:40




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 Re: 6vs 8v batt in reply to jimbintexas, 07-06-2007 20:22:06  
You need to make adjustments to the regulator or cutout so it puts out the right amount of charge.



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John T

07-07-2007 06:11:07




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 Re: 6vs 8v batt in reply to jimbintexas, 07-06-2007 20:22:06  
Jim, I will try n take your questions one at a time:

I have had starter rebuilt, replaced ignition key, and now it's in the shop with generator problems. Is this because of the use of an 8-V battery, or is it just a coincidence? thanks

1) The starter dont draw very much more current at 8 versus 6 volts so I dont really see the 8 volt batetry as a "major" contributor to starter failure. Heck Ive used 12 volts on 6 volt starters n never had any problems.

2) Ditto on the ignition key, Id say its failure is normal and a coincedence. The coil will draw a lil more at 8 versus 6 volts, but the ignition switch is rated wayyyyy yy more amps then the max coil current. COINCIDENCE IS MY ANSWER

NOTE a more normal happening when using 8 volts on a 6 volt non mag ignition system is the coil will run a tad hotter and the points will burn up sooner !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!

3) The generator is a bit more complex. In order for it to produce the higher voltage necessary to charge an 8 versus only a 6 volt battery, IT WAS DRAWING MORE FIELD CURRENT which yields more heat sooooo ooooo oo over the long haul that extra field current might have degraded the field windings (and their insulation integrity) a bit. BUTTTTT TT again there wasnt all that much added field current and its NOT the case where it would have been enough extra heat to cause any quick harm. Heck again, Ive used 6 volt gennys to charge 12 volts and NEVER HAD ANY QUICK OR SUDDEN PROBLEMS (none at all for that matter) I dont see the 8 volts as any appreciable added wear on the gennys bushings or armature so much, possilby a lil more field current n heat which would NOT increase the field windings life but its still not all that bad.

I guess I would guess/attrribute the gennys failure to 80% coincidence and 20% max to extra field current from charging that 8 volt battery.

John T

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georgeky

07-06-2007 20:37:59




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 Re: 6vs 8v batt in reply to jimbintexas, 07-06-2007 20:22:06  
I agree with Dave. Dad put one on his M and it was nothing but trouble and not a bit stronger than the 6 volt batteries that had worked well for 40 years. He gave it to me in 2004 and back to 6 it went, she fires right up every time.



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dave guest

07-06-2007 20:30:05




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 Re: 6vs 8v batt in reply to jimbintexas, 07-06-2007 20:22:06  
Eight volt was a heap of trouble for me. On top of all else you might forget and blow it up with 12volt jump. Batts are scarce. Not much stronger than 6volt in my experience. Regulator has to b e reset to put out 9.5 volts or never work. And where do you get a charger????? 12volt and resistors do not work properly. BTDT



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jimbintexas

07-06-2007 20:47:26




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 Re: 6vs 8v batt in reply to dave guest, 07-06-2007 20:30:05  
Thanks for replys. No changes were made to regulator when 8v battery was added. I guess I can plan on getting a new voltage regulator next? This would have probably happened sooner, except the tractor is used only a few hours in the summer for mowing. Thanks again.



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HENRY E NC

07-06-2007 20:57:33




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 Re: 6vs 8v batt in reply to jimbintexas, 07-06-2007 20:47:26  
I may be wrong but if memory serves me right, a 6 volt battery usually is 6.8-7.2 volts fully charged just as a 12 volt battery is fully charged at 13.8 volts. Most 6 volt generators will put out 7-8 volts and alternators will vary from 13.8-14.4 volts. When I was boating I had a bank of Gel cells that had to be charged right at 13.8 and 12 years later intalled Glass matts and had to up the charger to 14.4 to keep them in top shape. I run my M with a 6 volt generator, 12 volt battery and 6 volt starter. No problems in 3 years. Ignition is 12 volts.

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Owen Aaland

07-07-2007 19:02:37




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 Re: 6vs 8v batt in reply to HENRY E NC, 07-06-2007 20:57:33  
Unless you are dealing with a more exotic battery type, standard lead/acid batteries have a fully charged voltage of 2.1 volts per cell. That translates to 6.3 volts on a six volt battery and 12.6 volts on a 12 volt battery. This is the voltage you should see after the surface charge has dissipated. The voltage to charge the battery needs to be one to two volts above this voltage.

When Gates first came out with their Optima series batteries they were 2.2 volts per cell. This did cause some problems where the battery would not recharge fast enough. I had problems with some delivery trucks that would last about a week and then the battery would be too discharged to start the engine. Recharge the battery and everything checked out fine but it would be repeated every week until Gates changed their battery specs.

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