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Carb sweats...?

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Andy Schuppert

07-04-2007 19:06:56




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So I"m not mechanic but you guys have been very helpful solving some of my problems. So when I am using the tractor I notice that the carb sort of sweats. My tractor runs like a champ so I"m thinking this is normal. Can anyone tell me why it would do this so I can stop worrying about this.

Thanks, Andy




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dave guest

07-06-2007 19:50:23




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 Re: Carb sweats...? in reply to Andy Schuppert, 07-04-2007 19:06:56  
Didja ever see an air powered refrigerator. Used to be lot of em in GM plants. Box, Short pipe with orfice and compressed air. Cools good, wastes mucho compressed air. Management would destroy on sight.



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Semper Fi Guy

07-05-2007 05:55:40




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 Re: Carb sweats...? in reply to Andy Schuppert, 07-04-2007 19:06:56  
Andy,
Yes inside the carburetor there is a venturi, a narrowed up passage which speeds up the air as it passes towards the combustion chamber, at this smallest area a jet,( nozzle or orfice) is postioned so as to mix the fuel into the air, it atomizes, or becomes a mist...this is the best for the engine to use the fuel.Outside the carburetor this is where it sweats, even frosts up in the summer!!!!
pilots of small aircraft have a control for "carburetor heat", it is a valve that takes heated air from the around the exhaust manifold jacket ( not exhaust gasses), and it eneters the carburetor air intake, by passing the air filter, this air helps melt any ice that forms inside this venturi or around the throttle butterfly valve in the carburetor... this is dangerous for airplanes because carburetor ice can make an engine reduce power or shut down, if the ice breaks away and plugs up the system and cause a forced landing, the pilot can pull this control knob to add heated air and melt any ice that he suspects, the engine rpm will drop some during this procedure due to warmer air is allready somewhat expanded and combustion is compomised a little. Hot summer days when humidty is high is the worst time for something like this to happen, but it does, I have learned many things by flying airplanes...and messing around with experimental aircraft...

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Andy Schuppert

07-05-2007 03:28:14




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 Re: Carb sweats...? in reply to Andy Schuppert, 07-04-2007 19:06:56  
Thanks all, that'll make me relax a bit.

Andy



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John-Paul T

07-04-2007 20:48:08




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 Re: Carb sweats...? in reply to Andy Schuppert, 07-04-2007 19:06:56  
car usually aluminum carb these days....youll find condensation is far less as they get near same temp as manifold (which isnt great for millage or performance) cold fuel makes more power. Dont worry about it less it sweets when the tractor wasnt run at all. Then its a gasket issue since all metal is at = temp. Any time a good diff in temps between materials is present you get condensation even more so in dissimalar materials. Hence the new cars aluminum carb and intake condenses far less, it also to control creeping when cooling at diff speeds which eats gaskets (ford 2.9l v6 anyone?-overheat and blow headgasket everytime) They are thin wall aluminum head with cast iron block, thats why.. Fuel injected cars are diff of course. The injector is on rails. Less centrifugal (craptastical carb) haha.

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Bob Kerr

07-04-2007 20:31:38




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 Re: Carb sweats...? in reply to Andy Schuppert, 07-04-2007 19:06:56  
Yep that is normal. It is from the effect of evaporation cooling. The gas evaporates in the carb and cools. in cooler weather you will see frost and maybe ice form on it. I have noticed it shows up more on cast iron carbs than pot metal ones.



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gene bender

07-04-2007 19:55:00




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 Re: Carb sweats...? in reply to Andy Schuppert, 07-04-2007 19:06:56  
when temp and moisure in the air are such they even get frost internal combustion engines have done it forever you just didnt seeit on your car as the hood was shut.



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A. Bohemian

07-05-2007 08:25:40




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 Paging Dr. Porsche! in reply to gene bender, 07-04-2007 19:55:00  
The next time you get a chance to look at a stock engine on an older (pre-'seventies) Volkswagen Beetle, find the exhaust manifold by tracing back from the pipe(s). You will see two tubes, one on each side, that go up toward the carb and are clamped onto the intake manifold for a considerable amount of its run.

These are the heat risers. Their job is to transfer heat to the intake manifold, so that the fuel/air mix is preheated; and the heat is even transferred to the narrow passages of the carb to keep them from icing up.

Oftentimes, inexperienced owners of such Volkswagens start to notice that their car stalls when coming to a stop after extneded high-speed driving. The problem is infrequent at first, but gradually occurs more and more often. Soon the car will stall almost everytime it comes to a stop.

This is happening as the heat riser tubes gradually fill with carbon from the exhaust gasses. An experienced VW owner gets the carbon out; but if they don't, eventually the riser fills solid.

Once the riser is COMPLETELY blocked, the sweating problem you describe becomes EXTREME in a warm, humid climate. Some people (notably the late automotive writer John Muir) claim it can actually damage the air-cooled Volkswagen engine.

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