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Unknown,weird bolt

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SuperA-Tx

07-03-2007 18:25:25




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Was out looking thru my Uncles old stuff and came across this old bolt. Bolt is 5" overall and the counter sunk part (square part) is 1 3/4". The threads dont look like fine or course either, more course. The square nut has a wierd looking thing off one of the corners. Thinking it was to tighten or loosen the square nut?

We have only had one Super A and two 140's and a 179 Blackland Planter, a 185 Planter, one two row plow, a disk, and a harrow.

So do yall know what this is from?

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JohnG(TX)

07-05-2007 07:24:45




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 Re: Unknown,weird bolt in reply to SuperA-Tx, 07-03-2007 18:25:25  
This bolt and nut were used on the early Farmalls and others to hold the middlebuster bottoms on to the plow arms. I found many of them on my grandfather's farm, many still in the buster bottoms where they go. These buster bottoms are the ones with the cast iron shoe and three steel plates. They fit into the cast iron receiver, that is bolted to the steel plow arm. You use a hammer to tighten the nut.

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SuperA-Tx

07-05-2007 07:38:05




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 Re: Unknown,weird bolt in reply to JohnG(TX), 07-05-2007 07:24:45  
John,

I was thinking about useing it for the middle buster on my 179 planter so Im glad you said thats what they were for. The square part does fit perfect in the opening and I can see how the square shank keeps it from turning.

Thanks for the info

Randy



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JohnG(TX)

07-05-2007 07:44:42




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 Re: Unknown,weird bolt in reply to SuperA-Tx, 07-05-2007 07:38:05  
Randy, I am guessing from your handle that you are from Texas, what part of Texas are you in?



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HughB

07-04-2007 10:05:56




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 Re: Unknown,weird bolt in reply to SuperA-Tx, 07-03-2007 18:25:25  
That really is a "Carriage Bolt" probably manufactured in the late 1800s. The square shank was driven into a round hole. this would keep it from turning when you tightened the bolt. The website www.blacksmithbolt.com has many types of these bolts shown. HughB



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SuperA-Tx

07-04-2007 11:54:20




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 Re: Unknown,weird bolt in reply to HughB, 07-04-2007 10:05:56  
Yep, that web site has bolts that look more like mine but not the nut. Must have actually been for a carriage.

I think its interesting so I'll keep it just for conversation.



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Bob Kerr

07-04-2007 09:02:42




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 Re: Unknown,weird bolt in reply to SuperA-Tx, 07-03-2007 18:25:25  
I got to thinking about that bolt and the nut on it. It might be possible that the wing nut has only one wing so if the bolt is installed horizontally it is less likely to unscrew by it self. The old stay rods on wagon boxes and old truck sideboards for that matter, have a one sided handle. Maybe it came off the tounge on some horesdrawn machine or for some fold away for transport part on a portable early baler or threshing machine?

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Farmall MD

07-04-2007 03:16:14




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 Re: Unknown,weird bolt in reply to SuperA-Tx, 07-03-2007 18:25:25  
Cariage bolt yes, but the flats look alot longer than usual. Do you think maybe a cariage shoulder bolt? Whatever it was for, I don't beleive it was supposed to be real tight with the "quick nut" on it. Doug N



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Hugh MacKay

07-04-2007 02:37:07




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 Re: Unknown,weird bolt in reply to SuperA-Tx, 07-03-2007 18:25:25  
Randy: I think Gary is as close as any opinion you have. It's probably from 40 years before either of your tractors.

If you need a use for it, use it for pinning the swinging drawbar. My dad lost one of the bolts he used for holding swinging drawbar on the Farmall H. What to do as he didn't want to go all the way back to the farmstead. He walked along the railroad about 20', found a railroad spike. Since one always bends those bolts he didn't want a bent railroad spike in his drawbar. Later he cut the rail spike off at 4", and that is all we ever used in H, 300 and 560 to hold swinging drawbars. The square bolt doesn't bounce out near as easy as round, thus he was able to cut them short enough so we didn't bend them, plus the offset head of the rail spike turned in gave the roller less movement. Most rail spikes have to be forced in and out the first few times, but they soon wear square corners in drawbar holes.

My dad found he didn't have to walk very far on railroad to find a lifetime supply of spikes. Bear in mind this was the 50s when railroad workers were steel drivin men. The automated devices they have today may not waste as many spikes.

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SuperA-Tx

07-04-2007 06:09:10




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 Re: Unknown,weird bolt in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-04-2007 02:37:07  
Was kind of thinking about useing it on the planter to hold the middle buster on. Does remind me of a railraod spike with that long square part.



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john cub owner

07-03-2007 19:31:33




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 Re: Unknown,weird bolt in reply to SuperA-Tx, 07-03-2007 18:25:25  
Looks to me like a carriage bolt for use in wood.



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Bob Kerr

07-03-2007 18:45:13




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 Re: Unknown,weird bolt in reply to SuperA-Tx, 07-03-2007 18:25:25  
Kind of looks like one I pulled out of my truck tire today, but I think it was a mangled stud from a manifold. Well off to the tire shop for a new one!



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Gary in Mozarks

07-03-2007 18:33:20




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 Re: Unknown,weird bolt in reply to SuperA-Tx, 07-03-2007 18:25:25  
Its a carriage bolt. Could be off of anything but if you look at an old sears robuck catalog from around the turn of the century, you will see that carriage bolts used to have quite a long sqare section. Much longer than they do today. being that large it could have been some kind of king bolt to pivot a front carriage. Just a good guess Gary



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