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Touch Control Rebuild, 100

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Hobo,NC

06-26-2007 19:24:29




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Well got the clunk'kin wheel fixed and now got brakes so on to next project. Do I fix the leak'in Touch Control on my 100 or ring the 140. Well I recon push come to shove I could make do wif only one tractor fer cultivating see'n as I am now start'n to eat sum of the home grown stuff out of the garden and most of the vegetables have got to big 2 cultivate and sort wait'n for the late garden to come along then move on to turnip greens and collard time and and and my school boy helper Mutt shore needs sum sperence werk'n on a tractor I spec i will werk on the leak'n Touch Control first. Soooo it leaks out the bottom some were and no were were i kin see a leak. I did pick up the seal/gasket kit # 354007R96 $104 or sum'n like that. i recon we kin figger out how to R&R the Touch Control. I spec the top cover and the rear cover needs to come off so the rams kin come out or are their enny short cuts, it werks good only leaks out the front some were a slow leak but I figger I best take care of it fer I are someone else runs the pump dry. If I git the leak stoped I have already rewerked the rest of the 100 cept fix'n the leak around the right pan on the bull gear I mite throw sum of that shinny read paint on the rest of it, front wuz done a few years back. went threw the engine, front axle, trans, cleaned and sealed the gas tank. Sum of y'all boys know I am ford man but would not take a share in a gold mine fer my 100. I am a mechanic by trade so not skeered.

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WalJohn

06-28-2007 03:13:28




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to Hobo,NC, 06-26-2007 19:24:29  
You can get to all of the valves and such by pulling the rear cover of the unit. I rebuilt my 140 Touch Control 3 years ago.



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NawlensGator

06-27-2007 09:12:36




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to Hobo,NC, 06-26-2007 19:24:29  

I think Hobo is talking about the touch control, not the hydraulic pump. One of my 140's has has a slow leak from the bottom. (see Pic). Was told the O rings probably need replacing. This requires the unit to come out in one piece and rebuilt on the bench. Gas tank probably needs to come off first. Unit is heavy. Does yours look like this?

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Hobo,NC

06-27-2007 09:47:01




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to NawlensGator, 06-27-2007 09:12:36  
Yep zackly like it, I know its got to come off but not sure how much of it i need to disassemble once i git it on a werk bench to fix leak"n o-rings. It has a top cover and a rear cover do they need to come off to git to the rams to replace the o-rings is the question. Thanks for the reply. It set up for 5 years while I rebuilt the front end, engine and so fourth. Then after i got it back run"n I had the leak.

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mark

06-27-2007 08:21:29




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to Hobo,NC, 06-26-2007 19:24:29  
It's obvious that Hobo is getting rain that we ain't here in Kentucky:(!

george....what would you want with a Super A if you have that SC? I love my SA and have finally got it where I want it to be...which didn't take much. My only complaint is that they were geared too high...if I could have a true creeper gear, I'd be tickled to death. You know how it is that first plowing....got to idle them down to where you can about hear each time she hits...so you don't cover up the young plants. Then hit a hard piece of ground and dang near stall the engine. I have a hard believing the IH engineers were that daft in the head..but evidently they were. Third gear is useless.....so they could have had bulldog, 1st, 2nd, and road gear.

Man needs an umbrella out in this sun if he's going to plow anything out. My corn and beans are laid by and if the rain doesn't come, there won't be any late corn.

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Hobo,NC

06-27-2007 09:52:53




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to mark, 06-27-2007 08:21:29  
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This'n pulls good but also would like a lower gear. Once i got use to the speed its no problem. To answer the power question its strong. I have a late 140 head and cam along with the overbore and fire crater pistons. It'ell git'er done and pull good at low speeds neer idle while cultivating. My 100 nor 140 have to werk hard I leave the hard werk for the Fords the Fords are cheaper to fix.
I have good old pond water and a good irrigation system. Its extremely dry here also.

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mark

06-27-2007 11:31:11




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to Hobo,NC, 06-27-2007 09:52:53  
Hobo,

what do your irrigator guns/sprayers look like? what kind of pump are you feeding them with and at what pressure?

I have a big cistern I no longer use and finally took my pto sprayer pump and rigged it to a 1.5 hp electric motor. That pump will stall that electric motor if you run the pressure very high. I used a 6" or 8" pulley on the pump and 2" on the motor. The bypass valve was returning at least half of what the pump was delivering and making 80 psi at the hose nozzle. I got sick and tired of moving it around. Now, if I had a manifold setup and several sprinklers/guns..... I could run that pump wide open....you'd be amazed at what a 6 or 8 roller hypro pump will put out...but it needs higher rpms than a 540 shaft will deliver.

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Hobo,NC

06-27-2007 15:23:13




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to mark, 06-27-2007 11:31:11  
My uncle and I have been talk'n about put'n a pump in the pond for years. We made a deal he supply the pump and I will run the pipe. The pump got put in the pond so all I know izz its a 20 gal a min. pump. It looked like a submersible pump to me. we made a frame so it would not lay on the bottom. the pump sits in a plastic pipe made for this application. It has a bladder type pressure tank in a well house with a pressure switch. I ran 3K ft of 1 1/4 or 1/1/2 pipe all over the place. I run 2 1/2 gal sprinkler heads and can run 4 at a time no problem. I got the heads from a customer who has a nursery, he gave'em to me so thats all I know about them. i have see them at lowes around $8 a piece, made out of plastic. I have run 4 and looked and my uncle had 4 going with no problem. I have asked but no one knows the type or rating on the pump. The pump was supplied by a friend of my uncles that's in the pump business. I have asked but the friend did not know. All he could tell me was one of his engineers designed the system so I would have to run him down to find out, I have not done that yet. I do know the pump cost $1200 and it will git'er done.

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georgeky

06-27-2007 08:40:49




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to mark, 06-27-2007 08:21:29  
Hi Mark, I mostly want one to play in the garden with. They work great with a one row tobacco setter on them. I also have a few implements that fit them and no tractor to put them on. As far as the Super C, I wouldn't trade it for one, as I plow two rows at once with it. I have a straight C too. I can tell you from lots of experience plowing, that if you don't cover a young plant every once in a while that you are not covering the weeds. In most cases if it is a good strong plant it will come right back, unless it is covered completely and buried. I finally put an umbrella on my Super C about 8 years ago and what a difference it made. I don't know why I waited so long to do it. Comes in handy for those pop up showers too, if we ever got any. I have been irrigating my garden and have ruined my green beans. They were a little thick and really growing. Now with the night time watering they are getting rotten spots all over them. I have some late ones that are not that far along yet. It is hard to mess with mother nature.

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mark

06-27-2007 11:43:06




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to georgeky, 06-27-2007 08:40:49  
george,

a tobacco plant must be the toughest green thing alive...they take so much and bounce right back. But, I've murdered a lot of corn by getting carried away and going too fast or not paying attention. I's like to put a 3 point on my SA. The lift isn't very stout, but sure would make it handier. I often dreamed of owning one those diesel 274's or JD 900 HC's some farmers bought in the 80's. I've heard bad about the 274's engine...but they had all the bells and whistles. That JD 900HC had to be a dandy.

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georgeky

06-27-2007 13:53:46




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to mark, 06-27-2007 11:43:06  
Mark, I bought a 274 new in 82 and other than easy on fuel, I wouldn't trade a good Super A for two of them. It wouldn't start in 100 degree weather without heating it. A friend bought a 900 JD and it wasn't much better if any. I made a 3 point hitch for my M out of the one off the 274. I traded it to a new CaseIH 585 in 90 or 91, It wasn't any good either. It may have been alright, but would not run or pull with my 1980 584 IH. You are right about tobacco, it is hard to kill a weed. I don't see why foks need a 3 point on a SA. There are lots of SA implements in KY, I have several myself and no tractor to put them on.

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mark

06-27-2007 18:33:01




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to georgeky, 06-27-2007 13:53:46  
george,

Just what kind of implements for a SA do you have? I'd be glad to have a 3 point and use a set of 3 pt cultivators to cover my tire tracks and then be able to use the boom pole for light work and the single 16" plow...instead of having to mount the drawbar for the SA plow. My old IHC planter has been converted to 3 point years ago and would work so well with the SA....it's just the ease of changing of tools with the 3 point that makes me want one.

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georgeky

06-27-2007 18:54:34




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to mark, 06-27-2007 18:33:01  
Mostly fast hitch stuff. No 3 point is as easy as that. However I have tractors with 3 point on them for the other stuff. I do have planters,plows,disc. home made fast hitch cultivator for the rear. I just attach the prong or prongs to what ever I may need. I don't need the one point stuff yet, as I don't have a Super A or 100/130/140, but do plan on getting one. Most of my stuff is 2 point to include, plow,disc,mowing machine,bale fork,seed sower,sub soiler,grader blade,carry all, spraying rig.post hole auger,transplanter,Bushhog and maybe another piece or two that I can't think of now. I do have some implements for the plain Super A, but no boom pole. I buy all the old Farmall junk I can at sales. Most of it doesn't bring much at all around here. Oh yea I have a fast hitch hay rake. I see your point, I just like the original equipment for these old rascals. I have a lot of older bolt on implements as well. I guess I have put them on and off so much that I don't pay any attention to them. I am remodeling some stuff now to fit the one point hitch for the A/100/130/140.

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mark

06-28-2007 00:22:18




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to georgeky, 06-27-2007 18:54:34  
george,

Where are you at? I'm about 25 miles west of Ashland in Greenup Co. One of these days I might ought to drive down and meet up with you and look at your toys:).

Last spring, I had 2 SA's and a Cub. I sold the '55 SA with a belly mower and Cub with cultivators and kept this '53 SA with cultivators and side dresser. The cultivators had a lot of wear and slop in them, so I ran a few beads of weld on the mounting shafts to tighten them up...fixed that easy enough. The sweeps were worn plum off, so I replaced all of them on the front gang...somebody had put new spring tines on the rear already. I rebuilt the hydraulic reservoir and the carb, filled the steering box with grease as per Hugh MacKay's recommendation and shot a little paint to it and called it done. I bought new points, plugs and condenser and never have installed them....don't need'em!

I've got a 60+ horse 4wd JD 5320 for everything else I manage to do around here, just about wore it out...managed to put 140 hours on it in 2 years..hehe!

I would have thought those Yanmar built JD 900's would have been good machines. I looked hard at a new one back in the 80's.

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georgeky

06-28-2007 10:05:46




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to mark, 06-28-2007 00:22:18  
Mark, I am not to far from you. Take I-64 to Mt Sterling. Turn south on Highway 11. I am about 9 or 10 miles from there. The 900 along with the 274 and Ford had one about the same time. They all looked to use IH cultivator on them. They were all decent little tractors, but they were not as good as the Super A/100/130/140. It is hard to improve on anything that has held up as well as the little Farmall offsets. I seen a paper a couple years ago that said that 90 % of the 140's since 1948 when they came out were still at work. I don't think anyone can boast any better numbers than that. If you do decide to come let me know , because I am still moving some of these things from the other places and don't have it all here yet. Several of my old Super A implements are at my dad's place in Harrison county. I also have several old Implements for Cub's, H's and M's some of which is in Harrison county as well. I tell the wife this is my museum in progress. I also have several old hose drawn implements and a antique Case Hay baler that my dad and his brothers had to ride and set blocks of wood and tie the wire by hand. It hasen't been used since 1956, and some parts have been robbed off it or I would restore it. I have gramps's horse drawn Beamus tobacco setter that he bought new in 1947. It is sitting were he parked it in a barn in 1971 or 72. It was converted, with a shorter tounge in 195 to use behind the Cub he bought that year. I use to tease him about the Cub being so little and he always said it beat the hell out of looking up a horses a$$. Anyhow let me know if and when you may want to come, and I will build a fire and get thje Dutch oven out.

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mark

06-28-2007 13:37:47




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to georgeky, 06-28-2007 10:05:46  
george,

I'd enjoy coming to see you sometime when it's convenient for you. I bought my two Ford pickups (my first and last in '88) there at Mt. Sterling. I wouldn't trade nickels with those crooks if I were you.

I've got a friend who just moved from Lexington down to Perryville and I need to go see his farm as well.

Montgomery County has some fine real estate, one of my favorite parts of the state. email me sometime. Jumptrap58@wmconnect.com

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georgeky

06-28-2007 14:55:55




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to mark, 06-28-2007 13:37:47  
Mark, in 88 that would have been Cole Ford. I can't believe you had trouble with them. I have bought two from them and had great dealings with them. Anyhow, there is some good farm land in Montgomery county, and also some that isn't so good. Development has driven the prices up in the last 10 years so much that farmers can't hardly buy any. When I get most the other implements home so you can see them I will holler at you. Would be glad to have you visit. I even have a little guest house if you would like to stay the night. It's nothing more than a shack, but it is dry and has a good bed in it. And a front porch. I sit there and watch the deer,turkey,rabbits and all God's other creatures cross the place. Shot a grounhog the other day that was digging and eating in my garden. The only one I have seen in 2 years and I shot him. I hope you don't expect to see any RPRU quality stuff, as most is rusty and well used. I haven't painted a tractor since 97. I am in the slow process of restoring a couple of things, but nowhere near finished with them. Perryville also has some fine land around it. I am sending you an email, just to log your address into my computer. Have a good one.

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El Toro

06-27-2007 03:52:26




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to Hobo,NC, 06-26-2007 19:24:29  
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Here's a parts breakdown on a Pesco hydraulic pump
that may help you. Hal



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georgeky

06-26-2007 19:36:12




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to Hobo,NC, 06-26-2007 19:24:29  
I am sure you can handle it. That is a nice gardening outfit there. I wish I had a 100/130 or 140. Even a Super A. I would trade my old 450 diesel for one, since I have no need for it.



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Hobo,NC

06-26-2007 19:52:15




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to georgeky, 06-26-2007 19:36:12  
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Who needs a Ho (we kin say the Ho werd kint we) just git 100



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georgeky

06-26-2007 20:30:27




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 Re: Touch Control Rebuild, 100 in reply to Hobo,NC, 06-26-2007 19:52:15  
I don't use a hoe in my garden or tobacco. I use a Super C and plow the green off of it.



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