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Farmall H question on Hydraulics and PTO

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Bon Lawn

02-17-2007 16:03:16




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Can the H be upgrade to live hydraulics and live PTO? If so, can it be done for reasonable cost?

Thanks,
Kenneth




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john d

02-17-2007 16:25:12




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 Re: Farmall H question on Hydraulics and PTO in reply to Bon Lawn, 02-17-2007 16:03:16  
First, there is no true live pto for a Farmall H. M&W did make an attachment that installed where the left brake assembly is located that provided "sort of live" pto for Farmall H and M tractors. It was a hand-operated clutch that disconnected the left rear wheel from the drive train, thus stopping forward motion without stopping the transmission and pto shaft. They can sometimes be found on ebay and other places, but parts are no longer available except as used. That attachment did NOT allow for the transmission to be shifted with pto running.

Live hydraulics was also offered by M&W by mounting a small pump behind the distributor on the right side of the engine. The Lift All hydraulic system (belly pump) that came with the tractor was then used as a reservoir. Those units were a big success, but again, are no longer manufactured and only available as used.

By changing the front engine cover, I think you can mount a pump from a Super H, 300, or 350 on your tractor. If you go to all that trouble, you might consider upgrading to the better camshaft and heavier cam gear. That gear seems to be the weak point in the M&W system, and should be upgraded if going to the IH pump.

If you search the archives, you can probably find some pictures of other alternatives for live hydraulics that can be put together if you are a talented mechanic/machinist and don't care about original looks. I remember seeing a post once that had pics of a pump on the right side of the engine that was chain-driven by the crankshaft.

Reasonable Cost? That depends on how deep your pockets are! You can get into HUNDREDS of $$ very quickly, and live hydraulics including a larger reservoir, hoses and two or three valves can be over $1K.

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Steven@AZ

02-17-2007 16:11:13




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 Re: Farmall H question on Hydraulics and PTO in reply to Bon Lawn, 02-17-2007 16:03:16  
Live PTO - if you can find the M&W hand clutch you can get the tractor to stop while the PTO continues to run - but you can't shift gears without the PTO stopping and using the regular foot clutch.

Live hydraulics - $400 for a complete M&W setup on eBay right now click here! item # 170082655488

Or you can set up something like mine...
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unioncreek

02-17-2007 16:27:33




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 Re: Farmall H question on Hydraulics and PTO in reply to Steven@AZ, 02-17-2007 16:11:13  
Steve,

What kind of pump do you have on your tractor? What kind of setup do you have for the drive pulley, a pulley on the crank? Could you take some pictures of that I'd like to do something similar.

Thanks,
Bobg



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Steven@AZ

02-17-2007 17:01:50




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 Re: Farmall H question on Hydraulics and PTO in reply to unioncreek, 02-17-2007 16:27:33  
I should add a few things to answer some questions before they occur...

The pump cost around $180, the two pulleys are machined from solid steel - I think the crank pulley was $45 and the pump pulley was $35. It is a B-section belt which will transmit enough horsepower to give me about 1000 psi at 17 GPM at full throttle before the belt slips.

As you can see, you have to drain the radiator, take all the bolts loose and slide the bolster forward to change the belts.

Also, keep in mind that I am good friends with a semi-retired machinist that loves a challenge. I'm sure other shops would charge more for some of the work...

If I were to do it over, I would spend the extra money for a cogged belt drive similar to what cars use for a timing belt.

I'll be sure to take more pictures when I'm home in April to help with spring planting. I'll try to get over to my friend with the chain drive and take pics too...

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Steven@AZ

02-17-2007 16:47:32




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 Re: Farmall H question on Hydraulics and PTO in reply to unioncreek, 02-17-2007 16:27:33  
These are all the pictures I have currently on my computer... a friend of mine has an H with a similar setup, only chain drive so that they can get 2500 psi out of the system for a loader...

Crank pulley is machined to fit tight against the original and held on with a roll pin through the original hole in the crank.
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I bought the hydraulic pump through a local supplier. It is a Cross brand designed to handle the side-load of a belt.
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Also added Char-Lynn power steering while I was at it!
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