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frank packard

02-15-2007 09:19:47




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hey guys need help on my 450D. I had the head reconditioned last summer and started very easy and switched over to diesel good all fall. Now that we had our first snow in MI I can't get it to start on gas. Are these hard starters in cold weather(0-5 degrees)? If so any suggestions for making it easier is appreciated.




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steelfronts

02-15-2007 19:40:59




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 Re: hard starting 450D in reply to frank packard, 02-15-2007 09:19:47  
Frank There is no mystery to cold starting. AAll the regular stuff good fuel clean carb good spark. We have the older WD40 gas start diesels and they are set up the same way and have to be cranked by hand and if everything is right they'll start in sub zero weather on the third or fourth pull. If things arent right you could be ati it all day.When we have problems its usually plugs.



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chuck46

02-15-2007 15:58:43




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 Re: hard starting 450D in reply to frank packard, 02-15-2007 09:19:47  
Hi, A tank heater and a little electricity any time the temperature gets below 20 is the best investment you can make. Chuck



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Brownie450

02-15-2007 13:06:19




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 Re: hard starting 450D in reply to frank packard, 02-15-2007 09:19:47  
We had the picker on our 450D all the time, & the winter of 59- 60 was a real bear here. After lots of trouble with hard/no starting, we put a SuperC coil on it. The 6-volt coil with 12 volts provided nearly twice the spark to the plugs. With the engine running so little on gas, we never had any problems with the coil or points. She is still set up that way, & still starts well at any temperature.

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randy hall

02-15-2007 11:19:39




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 Re: hard starting 450D in reply to frank packard, 02-15-2007 09:19:47  
i bought a 400 diesel a couple weeks ago and it starts right up at zero and will change over to diesel after a couple minutes. it runs on gas better than my super mta diesel ever did, but i don't know why.



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Janicholson

02-15-2007 10:50:16




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 Re: hard starting 450D in reply to frank packard, 02-15-2007 09:19:47  
My MD needed a lot of choke to run when near zero.
It has a block heater in a core plug to help, and 15-40 oil. JimN



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the tractor vet

02-15-2007 09:50:47




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 Re: hard starting 450D in reply to frank packard, 02-15-2007 09:19:47  
As being a past owner of a 450 D yes when it gets cold out they can be a real pain . First ya have to have a ral good battery that has around 850-1200 cold cranking amps , Real good heavy cabels that have the fine strand wire , the correct spark plugs with a good cap good solid core plug wires as i have seen way tomany times where a guy has used carbon core wire and this cuts the enegry to the plug down The points should be changed every eyears while doing a tune up the timing should be dead on and the gas tank or starting tank how ever ya want to call it kept full at ALL times. As said below a water heater does help as it keeps the water and the block warm and the engine will turn over faster . Along with all the above also have the starter gone over to insure that it is not draging or not prefoming to it's best . Now with us down here in the Buckeye when fall harvest is done all our diesels get put away and we use the gassers for the rest of the winter as long as they are tuned up with good batterys and fresh fuel they always start even down to -35 any colder i don't start . When using and old MD -450D it is to your best interest to allow and extended warm up on the gas side before switchen to the diesel as the shock of going from low compression to high compression is hard on them then allow a bit of warm up on the diesel side before putting it to work and when working a diesel in cold weather it is also wise to cut the air flow down to the rad as to allow the engine temp to get up above the 160 degree mark so the fuel will burn better .

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georgeky

02-15-2007 09:35:17




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 Re: hard starting 450D in reply to frank packard, 02-15-2007 09:19:47  
Frank, I have a 450 diesel the only time I have trouble srarting it is when there is water or drugs (ie) rust,dirt ect in carb bowl. if carb is clean and in good shape it should start at that temp. Good Luck.



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El Toro

02-15-2007 09:28:57




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 Re: hard starting 450D in reply to frank packard, 02-15-2007 09:19:47  
It would start easier if you preheat the engine prior to attempting a start. It's easier on your battery too since the ampere draw would be less.
I would put a tank heater on it for that extreme temp. Hal


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dej(JED)

02-15-2007 09:28:11




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 Re: hard starting 450D in reply to frank packard, 02-15-2007 09:19:47  
If your spark is good and you have gasoline, it should light up easily.



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