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Paul Shuler

02-10-2007 13:08:50




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Yesterday was one of those days that everything I touched I broke. Went out to my parents home to clean up some of the down trees from the recent MO ice storm. I planed on useing dads old Farmall C to pull a small trailer around between the down trees to stack the brush on. Tractor had no spark at all coming from the mag. Uuugh. 2nd thing was I had been sawing about 8 hours when I came to a down old birch tree. Got about half way through it and the chain just stopped on the saw.{Stihl saw}. Took the bar off and cleaned all the wood chips out and it still wouldn't go. Engine starts and runs fine but the sproket that turns the chain does not move at all. Went and got dad's old Huskavara {spelling?} sawed for a few hours, sat it down for about two minutes to move some brush and the same exact thing. WHAT HAVE I DONE TO THESE SAWS? I am so sore today I can barely type. But I still have about 25 trees and tons of brush down on my place. I need to get these saws working. Any advice would be welcomed. I know very little about chain saws. They both had chain oil in them and and seemed to be oiling fine so I'm clueless. I'll be asking about getting the old C running when I get all this wood cut up.
Paul

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Smith1000

02-11-2007 16:20:48




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 Re: Need some chain saw help. in reply to Paul Shuler, 02-10-2007 13:08:50  
A guy I know north of here said that there is some type of additive in gasoline now that can lock up chainsaws. He said some gas comes with it and some doesn"t. I don"t know if this could be the reason for why these 2 saws quit or not. He said you can smell the additive in the gas. You have to be careful what gas is used for the mix. I can"t rember right off hand he said was in the gas now... seems like it started with a b, like buterol or something like that (probably not right). I"m not sure of what it is. He said he was at the chainsaw shop and they had several there that were locked-up for this reason.

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maplehillfrm,pat

02-11-2007 06:51:39




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 Re: Need some chain saw help. in reply to Paul Shuler, 02-10-2007 13:08:50  
if they cool down will they start and turn when they cool down? could be the chain is tightening on the bar,,, try looseningthe chain and thenn starting them, I cant see both clutches going at once.



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Paul in MN

02-10-2007 18:48:28




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 Re: Need some chain saw help. in reply to Paul Shuler, 02-10-2007 13:08:50  
Paul,

Did you set the warm saw down in some snow or ice? Possibly the warm chain melted the ice a bit and then refroze the chain to the bar. Warm up the saws and then with a gloved hand, see if you can pull the chain around as it is on the bar and saw. It should pull easily.

With all that cutting, have you sharpened the chain? You might have dulled the chain to the point that it was making excessive heat for the small amount of oil it was getting. It is possible to burn up a chain so that the links do not flex.

Good Luck, and most important...take care of yourself.

Paul in MN

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VernMN

02-10-2007 18:17:02




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 Re: Need some chain saw help. in reply to Paul Shuler, 02-10-2007 13:08:50  
had same thing happen on a Homelite XL12 some years back. It was the clutch gone bad.



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farmallhal

02-10-2007 13:56:16




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 Re: Need some chain saw help. in reply to Paul Shuler, 02-10-2007 13:08:50  
Paul, probably not it but did the chain break get bumped forward and has the chain locked - you know that safety feature in front of the top handle which engages when the saw bucks? Happened to me one time and actually took it in to have it looked at. Felt sort of stupid when the repairman handed it back and said it was just fine. My earlier saws didn't have that feature so was new to me as I was using dad's Stihl. I need to get started cleaning up around here as well but I just don't like working in the cold weather as I get so stiff in the cold and feet start hurting and just have to gimp around. Take care, Hal.

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Hugh MacKay

02-10-2007 15:07:45




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 Re: Need some chain saw help. in reply to farmallhal, 02-10-2007 13:56:16  
Hal: Ah ha, so you were just as timid as I, you thought he wanted someone on the handles of the second saw.

Your line about that chain safety brake brings back a memory of a couple of old guys in my home town. We're going back to when chain saws first came out. A local took on a dealer ship, sold the first saw to two brothers. The next night they were back, took 3 hours to saw down a 6" tree. Quite a few onlookers voiced their opinions, each of them trying the saw on a log behind the shop. If I remember correctly they tried it a second day, still no luck. That night thay were back, and this time wanting their money back. Dealers 12 old son was an onlooker, spoke up and suggested they had the chain on backwards. That cured it.

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farmallhal

02-10-2007 18:10:19




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 Re: Need some chain saw help. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-10-2007 15:07:45  
Hugh, I've heard of that one before and guess it can happen very easily. When I was at Boeing in my working years a technical person in our group called me one night at home. He had gotten one of the early reversible hand drills and couldn't figure out why he couldn't drill a hole. Wanted to know if I knew anything about them. I knew almost immediately when he said it was a reversible drill that it was turning the opposite direction needed to drill a hole. He had a hard time living that one down the next day. Thanks for the posts and stay warm and dry up there, Hal.

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Hugh MacKay

02-11-2007 02:55:16




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 Re: Need some chain saw help. in reply to farmallhal, 02-10-2007 18:10:19  
Hal: Back in the day when we used Farmall 300 logging in the bush, got a bit behind on hauling, thus hired a guy to come with a forestry skidder, on a Sat. His idea was a bit different from mine, as he planned to come for first load only then I'd become the operator.

This machine was a Timberjack 230 with Detroit diesel engine. With the owner watching my first entry into bush, I was going gentle, roughly half throttle. The skidder went over a bump, my foot temporarily came off foot throttle, that old Detroit gave cough, fired up going backwards. I imediately hit the throttle, it blew the top of the oil bath breather and sprayed most of the oil in there all over machine and myself. I shut the damn thing down. We filled breather with oil put breather back together. He then advised me the only way to use a Detroit was full throttle, and if one wanted to go slow, it was gear shift only, there is no slower speed he advised.

Well, I used that machine all day. Vowed I'd never buy a Detroit deisel for any use. At the end of the day the owner came back, I advised him Detroit might well be an efficient diesel, however if mankind were meant to tolerate them he would have been born with ear muffs, or without ears and hearing.

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Chris from Wa

02-10-2007 16:44:46




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 Re: Need some chain saw help. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-10-2007 15:07:45  
Hey Hugh, and I thought that when the dealer started the saw, the brothers looked at each other and asked, "what is that sound?"



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Hugh MacKay

02-10-2007 13:53:21




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 Re: Need some chain saw help. in reply to Paul Shuler, 02-10-2007 13:08:50  
Paul: I wasn't going to respond at first, as it sounded as though you were looking for a guy to put on the handle end. I keep my chain saw in a corner where by I never need touch the handles or operator controls. You must realize I'm looking at this, from the perspective of a 65 year old.

Seriously, I think Chris has it nailed, chain just a wee bit too tight, bar pinched. Rambunctious guys trying to get it cleaned up in a hurry will do this. Ask yourself how often you got bar pinched from tree presure.

The end of bar roller may also be a factor, but that should lubricate from oil going along bar, is your oiler putting out enough oil. Take the bar off, see if oil ports may be partially plugged. If you rev the saw up with end of bar pointed at clean snow or a board, it should put a slight oil stain on either. Not a lot, you should see traces of oil on the snow or board after 10 seconds. Another factor to check are you using chain saw chain oil and proper viscosity for season? That can have an effect, other type oils are a nono.

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Paul shuler

02-10-2007 14:56:27




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 Re: Need some chain saw help. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-10-2007 13:53:21  
Thanks for the advice Hugh and Hal, I will look into all of these things. As to being cold Hal, I started out in my coveralls and an old heavy work shirt. In an hour or so I had soaked through the bill of my cap. My feet and hands did get a little frosty though. I work in a hospital and have gotten too fat and soft. Today I feel like I used to after the first day of football practice. There is no spot that does not hurt.

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Dave BN

02-10-2007 13:30:27




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 Re: Need some chain saw help. in reply to Paul Shuler, 02-10-2007 13:08:50  
I should have mentioned that in cold weather(32 degrees or below) you should use low temperature bar oil. My saws, Husqvarna, have a port under the hood that you close in the winter to stop airflow past the engine to help it run warmer. Dave.



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Dave BN

02-10-2007 13:25:33




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 Re: Need some chain saw help. in reply to Paul Shuler, 02-10-2007 13:08:50  
If the chain saw engine revs up but the chain doesn't turn it sounds like the clutch is bad. These are centrifugal clutches, a weighted shoe flys out and contacts the the part the spocket is attached to, as the engine RPM's increase. May have been a good thing as it sounds like you were tired and ready to quit anyway. Should not run a chain saw when tired. Are you sure the C has a magneto, or is it battery ignition? Two different trouble shooting procedures there. Dave

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Paul Shuler

02-10-2007 13:31:47




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 Re: Need some chain saw help. in reply to Dave BN, 02-10-2007 13:25:33  
Yes the old C has a mag on it. I guess I could have pinched the stihl but the old Huskvarna just was just sitting and when I picked it back up the engine would rev but no go on the chain. I know I could move the chain by hand on the old saw but I will have to check again on the stihl. Thanks,
Paul



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Chris from Wa

02-10-2007 13:20:33




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 Re: Need some chain saw help. in reply to Paul Shuler, 02-10-2007 13:08:50  
Pinching the bar? If the cut closes on the bar it can pinch the chain. Also, how tight is the chain? With the saw off and gloves on, you should be able to move the chain easily by hand. If you're using a roller tip make sure it is lubed. If you have a roller tip, there is a small hole in the side of the tip for a grease gun.



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