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Chris from Wa

02-10-2007 12:23:35




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When I bought my Super C, it had a non Super C engine that had been swapped in. I would like to know what this engine is. Here are some clues: serial # is 22023, casting date is 4-28-Z. This engine is shorter than a Super C engine by about 1-2 inches. The water pump is on the block. It has a double crackshaft pulley. Anybody?




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JakeF

02-11-2007 04:48:42




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 Re: Engine ID question in reply to Chris from Wa, 02-10-2007 12:23:35  
Out here in WA there are a lot of baler power unit engines and potato digger power units that end up in tractors. If it's a non tractor engine you should have one missing bolt on the RH side below the oil filter and dowel pin. You'll see a circular cutout where the starter was tucked in along side of the block. Some of the engines also have the size stamped into a machined pad on the RH side ahead of the oil filter just below the head.

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Hugh MacKay

02-10-2007 14:53:15




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 Re: Engine ID question in reply to Chris from Wa, 02-10-2007 12:23:35  
Chris: Does it have engine cubic inch cast letter and numbers near or behind oil filter. example C-123, C-135, etc. The letter Z indicates 1954.

To my knowledge, all of the engines that will bolt up to a Super C are exactly same length. What makes you say this engine is shorter? You obviously have a reason. Could it be that someone has installed the wrong hood? A Super C water pump should bolt on over the lower engine water jacket port, and be driven by the main fan belt. On the older thermosyphon tractors fan belt went around crank and fan pullies only. Your fan belt should go around three pullies; crank, fan and water pump.

Tell us more, and no jokes until after 10 pm .

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Chris from Wa

02-10-2007 16:33:01




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 Re: Engine ID question in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-10-2007 14:53:15  
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The only numbers behind the oil filter besides the firing order is the part number 356318R2. By short I mean that the oil fill doesn't clear the hood. Neither does the exhaust pipe or the radiator cap. It has a double crankshaft pulley. Only one of them is used. A belt goes around the crank, fan, and water pump. The fan is also a double pulley. The second pulley on the fan drives the generator. I seem to remember that the A and C engines are shorter than the Super C. When I bought this Super C, the original engine came separately, as well as the original radiator and fan/water pump.

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Hugh MacKay

02-10-2007 17:06:19




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 Re: Engine ID question in reply to Chris from Wa, 02-10-2007 16:33:01  
Chris: The reason for short and I earlier thought you meant short as in distance from crank pulley to clutch housing.

The short you are talking about can be cured. To start with the original Super C radiator will be 2" higher than the one you have in the tractor. The pipes through the hood can be changed. exhaust pipe is just a 1.5" black iron pipe threaded into manifold. If you install the valve cover from the original Super C engine the oil fill pipe will reach through hood.

I'm not going to say you have an A or SA engine, as you don't, not the right engine block part number, plus the serial number is much too low for a 1954 Super A. Probably a swather or combine engine. Having said that you do have an A or SA radiator, and you do have an A or SA oil fill pipe and exhaust pipe.

You see the difference here is all SC, SA1, 100, 200, 130, 230, etc. had 2" higher radiator than A, SA, B or C, thus the hood was placed 2" higher from back to front.

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Chris from Wa

02-10-2007 17:19:01




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 Re: Engine ID question in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-10-2007 17:06:19  
Thanks Hugh, I figured it was something like that. Was that no jokes before 10, your time or mine? I just had to take a shot at your chain saw story.



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Hugh Mac Kay

02-10-2007 17:46:08




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 Re: Engine ID question in reply to Chris from Wa, 02-10-2007 17:19:01  
Chris: Must have been my time, an old codger like me has to go to bed before 10 pm your time.



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