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differences of later and eirler models

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ole farmall

02-07-2007 10:17:34




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Whats the diffrence of a 1940 M and a 1950 M i no the later model had more power but how was this done? And what other changes thanks
-Ryan




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ChadS

02-07-2007 17:37:22




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 Re: differences of later and eirler models in reply to ole farmall, 02-07-2007 10:17:34  
Try to get the late model camshaft for your M. SM-450 cams will help perk up the ol M,,, for your post above,,,, Right now, other than cyl head work, its the best bang for the buck. do it once, cry once,,, fun ever after! Chad



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ole farmall

02-07-2007 18:10:31




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 Re: differences of later and eirler models in reply to ChadS, 02-07-2007 17:37:22  
ChadS i have a 50' M so will a sm-450 cam still wake her up?? and aslo how much hp should i be suppecting from the 450 cam? Thanks alot
-Ryan



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ChadS

02-08-2007 17:05:40




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 Re: differences of later and eirler models in reply to ole farmall, 02-07-2007 18:10:31  
Bout 4 more HP at 540, and 15hp on the low end HP. (below 540) on the dyno. Chad



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NDS

02-07-2007 14:45:40




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 Re: differences of later and eirler models in reply to ole farmall, 02-07-2007 10:17:34  
Like others said there are lots of small differences but I have seen the 2 running in field together and most would not notice any difference. The very early 1940s had the different seat and transmission cover and that would be most noticeable difference.



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NDS

02-07-2007 16:12:36




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 Re: differences of later and eirler models in reply to NDS, 02-07-2007 14:45:40  
Another obvious difference is PTOs.



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John M

02-07-2007 13:56:55




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 Re: differences of later and eirler models in reply to ole farmall, 02-07-2007 10:17:34  
The shifter is different as well.



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D Slater

02-07-2007 13:34:38




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 Re: differences of later and eirler models in reply to ole farmall, 02-07-2007 10:17:34  
Best I can tell you is get a M parts book printed in 1940 or 41 and one printed in 1950 or 51 and start looking. Theres so many little and some obivious differences it will keep you busy this winter and several sheets of paper if you write them down. Then some will be missed. Not trying to be smart, but your question is to broad to be answered accurately in anything other than a small book.



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Nat 2

02-07-2007 11:29:37




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 Re: differences of later and eirler models in reply to ole farmall, 02-07-2007 10:17:34  
All Ms were rated for around 33HP at the drawbar.

The later Ms may have had more horsepower, but they were not "supposed" to. Any power was almost certainly gained through tighter tolerances in the cylinders as the years went on, which allowed the engine to produce higher compression.

On an engine the size of an M's, producing so little horsepower to begin with, it was very easy to get more horsepower.

When they went to the Super M, they made the cylinders bigger. That's how they got more power there.

The 400 has the same engine as a Super M.
The 450's cylinders are even bigger than a Super Ms, and it has the most horsepower of all.

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chadd

02-07-2007 14:32:55




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 Re: differences of later and eirler models in reply to Nat 2, 02-07-2007 11:29:37  
According to Nebraska Test Results, HP ratings are as follows:
1939 Farmall M Distillate: 34.82 Belt, 30.62 Drawbar
1939 Farmall M Gasoline: 36.66 Belt, 33.05 Drawbar
1941 Farmall M Diesel: 35.02 Belt, 31.05 Drawbar
1951 Farmall M Diesel: 38.21 Belt, 34.38 Drawbar

An M uses a 248 cu. in. inline 4, a Super M uses a 264 cu. in. inline 4, a 400 uses a 264 cu. in. inline 4, and the 450 used two different motors, early ones had a 264 and later ones had a 281 cu. in. inline 4.

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D Slater

02-07-2007 16:23:43




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 Re: differences of later and eirler models in reply to chadd, 02-07-2007 14:32:55  
Chadd on the statement some 450 tractors used a 264 engine. Where does that information come from?



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chadd

02-08-2007 15:05:51




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 Re: differences of later and eirler models in reply to D Slater, 02-07-2007 16:23:43  
Looked it up in the IH parts catalog, it shows both 264 and 281 under 400 and 450 tractors. The manual states that each had its separate motor though, so I must have been wrong. Thanks for catching it.



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chadd

02-07-2007 10:41:20




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 Re: differences of later and eirler models in reply to ole farmall, 02-07-2007 10:17:34  
Early M's had a larger oil filter element and canister, usually came with the dual fuel carburetor, and had a small starting tank for gasoline and a second tank for Kerosene or Distillate, the lower compression head to allow it to run the lower grade fuels, a different fuel tank support, a lower pressure belly pump, a slightly different setup for the steering shaft center bushing, a different cast front end assembly that used more cast and shorter channel pieces, non-adjustable front wheels (the adjustable were optional), a different PTO unit that did not necessarily run at 540 RPM, A different transmission fork assembly, Different seats, the shift pattern cast into the differential top cover/ platform (later ones just got a sticker), Non-pressurized radiator (later models were pressurized), different sheet metal using Dzus fasteners instead of bolts, and the electrical system of the later tractors used a regulator instead of a simple cut-out relay. Those are all of the differences I can think of off hand, I am sure there are more.

Extra horsepower came from the higher compression head that became standard on the later M's. Early M's could kerosene, gasoline, or distillate. Later ones could run only gasoline unless a different fuel was specified when the tractor was purchased.

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RustyFarmall

02-07-2007 11:11:37




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 Re: differences of later and eirler models in reply to chadd, 02-07-2007 10:41:20  
Not exactly true. The distillate/kerosene option was available all the way up through the 450, which ended production in 1958.



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chadd

02-07-2007 11:53:01




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 Re: differences of later and eirler models in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-07-2007 11:11:37  
The way I understand it, the later tractors came standard running gasoline. It was an option to install the low compression head. The early tractors came from the factory with the low compression head standard. It was an option to install the gasoline head. Yes, the later models could be optioned to run the other fuels, but if you ordered a standard later M, it wouldn't. That is what I have read anyway, you would probably know better than me.

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