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jack n.

02-06-2007 08:00:16




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on a gm three wire alt? Bob's picture shows a spare diode. how long do they last? or how dependable are they? i have never used one like that, sounds cheaper and easer and less complcated.




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jack n.

02-06-2007 17:27:23




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 Re: ??? on gm alt. in reply to jack n., 02-06-2007 08:00:16  
thanks for all the info. i'll use it on the next change over.i've been changing the switch and using the acc. termnal for the other wire.



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Bob

02-06-2007 15:21:58




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 Re: ??? on gm alt. in reply to jack n., 02-06-2007 08:00:16  
The "spare" diode is simply there in the foreground to give a better view of what it looks like, since the one soldered in place is not at a good viewing angle.

I have done these conversions for YEARS, and have settled on the particular diode shown, as it's ratings are WAY overkill, and it's still CHEAP.

Some folks use a diode of lesser current and reverse voltage rating, and claim they have good results.

HOWEVER, over the years, I had a few fail, and switched to the more robust 1N5408.

When the tractor is running, and the alternator is charging, there's no current through the diode.

When you turn the ignition switch "off", there can be a pretty good voltage spike from the ignition coil's primary, and that is what we are trying to protect against with the 3 Amp, 1000 PIV diode.

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old

02-06-2007 09:21:27




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 Re: ??? on gm alt. in reply to jack n., 02-06-2007 08:00:16  
I have a good number of tractors set up with a diode and so far I have never had one go bad on me. Some have been wired up that way for 10 plus years. Shoot on some I have replace the alternator on but so far never the diode



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Bob M

02-06-2007 08:33:20




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 Re: ??? on gm alt. in reply to jack n., 02-06-2007 08:00:16  
Jack - Unless abused that diode is pretty much indestructable. In an application like that it should last forever.

However I prefer the warning light over the diode for the simple reason people other than myself frequently run my tractors. And since most people ignore the ammeter, or they don't know how to interpret an abnormal ammeter reading I prefer the light.

Also an added bonus the light warns instantly should the fan belt break.

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PatMz

02-07-2007 05:46:06




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 Re: ??? on gm alt. in reply to Bob M, 02-06-2007 08:33:20  
Ditto on the light. It works for this idgit.

Thanks for the diagrams again! Once I (well, the Farmall Board) figgered out that a LED marker light doesn't pull enough current to get the alternator all excited I can plow snow after sunset. Now that is a mixed blessing.



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John T

02-06-2007 08:16:34




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 Re: ??? on gm alt. in reply to jack n., 02-06-2007 08:00:16  
Jack, I dont recall ever having any of those diodes go bad..... ... Its a solid dtate device and provided its voltage or current isnt exceeded (very unlikely in this application) once burned in they last a longgggg ggggg timeeeee eeee.

I dont normally use the external diode in the excitation circuit (its just to prevent backfeeding the coil) but instead a 10 ohm current limiting protection resistor in its place and then in the event the engine would still run even with the ignition OFF I would add it. Unless the engine dont idle down very slow, with the current limiting protective resistor in place backfeed isnt usually a problem and you could even use an idiot light in its place which also provides current limiting protection.

It will work either way (diode or idiot light or resistor) and there doesnt seem to be any major problems with either the diosde or a resistor in my opinion. Its your tractor and your choice

best Wishes

Ol John T and all in Indiana

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