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model # and help with Gm one wire conversion

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Don Benson

02-05-2007 16:19:42




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on the plate on the side of the clutch it reads 31250 S it would seem to be a 300 utility as the seat is diffrent, I wold appreaciate any info on this tractor. Also I am converting it to a GM one wire are there any tricks to making it work properly
Thanks for the help




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teddy52food

02-06-2007 06:35:26




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 Re: model # and help with Gm one wire conversion in reply to Don Benson, 02-05-2007 16:19:42  
Bob, I have an H that had been changed to 12 volt 3 wire alt. The exite curcuit is a live wire to an oil pressure switch then to the alt. It has no need for a diode. When the oil pressure closes the switch, the alt charges & when the engine is stopped, the switch opens so there is no drain. It does not involve the ign curcuit. What do you think of this setup?



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Bob

02-06-2007 15:35:40




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 Re: model # and help with Gm one wire conversion in reply to teddy52food, 02-06-2007 06:35:26  
That works just fine. It prevents running the battery down through the alternator, if the switch is left on.

A resistor, lamp, or diode in the "switched excire" circuit is STILL a good idea, though, 'cause if there's ever a poor connection in the charging circuit, current will instead try to flow to the battery through the alternator's diode trio and voltage regulator, and your oil pressure switch.

This will NEVER be a problem on less something happens to the charging circuit, so you're PROABLY OK.

He's the details, if you care to follow the schematics.

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teddy52food

02-07-2007 06:45:46




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 Re: model # and help with Gm one wire conversion in reply to Bob, 02-06-2007 15:35:40  
Thanks Bob .I kinda like it this way. When the ampmeter shows a charge, you know you have oil pressure also.



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DelMN1

02-06-2007 04:44:46




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 Re: model # and help with Gm one wire conversion in reply to Don Benson, 02-05-2007 16:19:42  
I have $180 in one wire alternators and only one of the four work! Problem is the rpms are not enough to "excite" the alternator. I did a 3-wire retro to each of the others and now they work fine. My advise, listen to Bob--he"s good!



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big red fred

02-05-2007 17:12:29




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 Re: model # and help with Gm one wire conversion in reply to Don Benson, 02-05-2007 16:19:42  
all it takes is a low amp stator. The higher the amp rating the harder it is to excite . You don`t even have to change pulley diameter. Tractor dosen`t need hi amps , lowest amp rated alternator still puts out more amps than original generator



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Bob

02-05-2007 17:28:47




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 Re: model # and help with Gm one wire conversion in reply to big red fred, 02-05-2007 17:12:29  
Red Fred,

So, what do you have against the simple "idiot light" or diode setup? It CAN'T be cost... a buck or two for the diode, and the standard alternator is more than likely CONSIDERABLY cheaper the the (goofy) "one-wire" unit.

It works PERFECTLY, because the alternator is being used like it's designers intended.

The (goofy) one-wire units (in this type of alternator) are a strictly aftermarket creations, and cause 90% of the problems folks have with alternator conversions.

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big red fred

02-06-2007 11:07:01




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 Re: model # and help with Gm one wire conversion in reply to Bob, 02-05-2007 17:28:47  
Ther is nothing wrong with the 3 wire set , ihave a couple running this way . It took me awile to figure out the 1 wire set . you seem to be upset because you couldn`t figure it out AND BUY THE WAY 1 WIRE ALTERNATORS OF THIS TYPE ARE NOT ALL AFTER MARKET!!!! IN the mid seventys PETERBUILT & KW used this same alternator in a 1wire setup....



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Bob

02-06-2007 15:41:49




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 Re: model # and help with Gm one wire conversion in reply to big red fred, 02-06-2007 11:07:01  
AFAIK, the one-wire Delco's used on semi's are a larger frame, brushless unit, with a HEAVY iron field core that retains residual magnetism for easy exciting upon startup.

I don't know WHAT you think I had trouble figuring out! I repair alternators for a living, and have been doing these conversions since the 10SI's were only on the market a year or two.

What I HAVE figured out is that the (goofy) "one-wire" units are often a pain in the butt when used on low-revving antique tractors. From all the posts on here about them, it looks like I'm not the only one seeing those problems.

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big red fred

02-06-2007 19:37:06




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 Re: model # and help with Gm one wire conversion in reply to Bob, 02-06-2007 15:41:49  
I guess YOU can fool some of the people some of the time , but you can`t FOOL everybody all the time.... Sure hope your not trying to make a living rebuilding alternators & starters. If you enjoy bragging on your self .have at it ENOUGH SAID



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Ronald

02-05-2007 17:49:27




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 Re: model # and help with Gm one wire conversion in reply to Bob, 02-05-2007 17:28:47  
I agree with Bob, when I first changed my H over to 12 volt NAPA talked me into a one wire unit they said worked great. I paid over fifty dollars for it and never worked right, I took it back and they warrantied it for another one just like it. In the meantime my uncle told me to use a thirty dollar three wire and I never had a minutes trouble with it in ten years.
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Bob

02-05-2007 18:55:20




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 Re: model # and help with Gm one wire conversion in reply to Ronald, 02-05-2007 17:49:27  
Ronald,

I just don't see why folks are SO fascinated with the "one-wire" alternators, when it's so easy to connect up a SUPERIOR 3-wire system.

I'm glad to see I'm not the ONLY one with who sees it that way.



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Don Benson

02-06-2007 04:25:03




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 Re: model # and help with Gm one wire conversion in reply to Bob, 02-05-2007 18:55:20  
thanks for the input I was told that the one wire was easier to rewire but I will certainly rethink that



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Bob

02-05-2007 16:34:21




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 Re: model # and help with Gm one wire conversion in reply to Don Benson, 02-05-2007 16:19:42  
The only "trick" with a (goofy) one-wire alternator is to get a SMALL pulley on it, so it's "revs" high enough to "excite" at a reasonable engine speed.

Too bad, it sounds like you may already have bought the one-wire unit. For LESS money, you can get a standard "3-wire" unit that will "excite" at a slower speed, and is LESS likely to drain the battery over periods of non-use.

All you need to add to connect the "3-wire" unit is a simple diode ($1.00), or an "idiot light", and a length of #16 wire to run to the ignition switch, from the alternator's #1 "switched excite" terminal.

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Wardner

02-05-2007 19:48:53




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 Re: model # and help with Gm one wire conversion in reply to Bob, 02-05-2007 16:34:21  
Here is the problem, Bob.

Your text and your picture are different. Why the box that mentions "voltage regulator? Where did that come from and does it need to be purchased?

Moreover, if it is possible to retro wire a one wire alternator, it seems to me that info should be offered.



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Bob

02-05-2007 20:26:39




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 Re: model # and help with Gm one wire conversion in reply to Wardner, 02-05-2007 19:48:53  
Wardner,

SORRY for the confusion!

For those NOT completely rewiring their tractor, the "BATT" post on the OLD voltage regulator, remaining from the GENERATOR CAN BE used a a "terminal post" to join the output wire from the alternator to the electrical system on the tractor, to minmimize rewiring.

The old voltage regulator, if left in place, and used as stated in the previous paragraph serves NO function other than as a "insulated terminal" to join the old wire to the ammeter AND the wire from the new alternator. I, myself, would connect the wires by other means, and tidy things up by removing the old regulator, but I HAVE seen a lot of conversions leaving the regulator in place, and using it as stated.

OF course, a TOTAL rewire job, with new wires of the proper gauge is a LOT better idea!

A (goofy) one-wire Delco alternator can be restored to it's ORIGINAL 3-wire configuration by carefully taking it apart, installing an "OEM-style" internal voltage regulator and diode trio.

The brushes have to be put in place, and then pinned, so the alternator can be re-assembled, and then the pin is withdrwawn, allowing the brushes to snap down into place, on the "slip rings".

I HOPE this makes things more clear!

BobM's diagrams for alternator conversions show 3-wire systems, using an "idiot light", which, as I said works equally well as the diode or resistor.

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