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TODD in MI

02-04-2007 13:44:32




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My wife is always talking about a small tractor trailer setup someone had in her hometown. She thinks it was an International. She said it looked just like a regular big rig just smaller about half size. Do any of you know if international made tractor trailer setup like this? I know this isn't a normal topic but I thought if it was an International some of you guys might know a good website to start looking. Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Todd

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TODD in MI

02-05-2007 06:30:36




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to TODD in MI, 02-04-2007 13:44:32  
Thanks guys for all your help and suggestions.



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Hugh MacKay

02-05-2007 05:04:04




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 Re: OT trucks, often big is deceiving in reply to TODD in MI, 02-04-2007 13:44:32  
Todd: Another factor you shouldn't overlook. looking at some of the Peterbilts, Kenworths, Western Star etc, with those great long engine hoods. Often times the drive train is no heavier than some of the short tractors. They order them long for the ride on the long haul. The further you put the driver from an axle, smoother the ride and less fatigue. Long hood trucks get rid of the engine-transmission doghouse, thus allowing them to spread out clutch, brake and accelerator pedals, again more comfort and less fatigue. Then you add a sleeper large enough for frige, microwave, TV, etc, 6' rather than the conventional 3' sleeper. In short, they are built to live in for a 3 week trip. I've seen tractor like this 12,000 front, 40,000 rear, 10 speed transmission and 350 engine. 20' long but really no more load capacity than some 13' IH day cabs.

But man do those long nose tractors look big. I delivered one couple weeks back, equiped with GPS, satilite TV, computer, radio and phone, add to that fridge, microwave, hot water oil furnace that heated the coolant when not running. I drove that thing a 100 miles before I figured out what all the switches were for. They don't look so good when backing in to a tight city dock.

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little john

02-05-2007 08:30:44




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 Re: OT trucks, often big is deceiving in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-05-2007 05:04:04  
I don't know anything about trucks, so excuse a simple question. I remember when there were cab-over-engines to save on truck length. Now with the really long tractor lengths, I wondered if the rules have been changed about the overll length of the truck.



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NDS

02-05-2007 10:21:47




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 Re: OT trucks, often big is deceiving in reply to little john, 02-05-2007 08:30:44  
On the US National Network (mainly interstate system) there is no overall length limit for tractor SEMI TRAILER or truck SEMITRAILER trailer combination. Trailer are limited to 53 feet with maximum of 48 feet from king pin to rear axle.

CFR 658.13 (Federal Code of Regulations)

(b) (3) No state shall impose an overall length

limintation on commercial vehicles operating in truck tractor- SEMI TRAILER or truck tractor-SEMITRAILER-trailer combinations.

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Hugh Mackay

02-05-2007 08:59:10




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 Re: OT trucks, often big is deceiving in reply to little john, 02-05-2007 08:30:44  
john: Your getting into a hornets nest now, about 20 years ago every state and every province were going to standardize this. I wouldn't want to say that is all they did, as they have made improvments, but still have a way to go.

It's generally accepted now you can go 85' total length on multi lane highways. No one wants to do city or county road deliveries with 85' rigs. The problem on deliveries in not the long trailer but the long tractor. A lot of companies today do the long haul with long tractors, depot to depot, then deliver with short day cabs. Technically the way a lot of these companies are operating today are using those trailers as warehouses. The long haul guy pulls them to a lot on the outskirts, then day cabs deliver when it suits. That might involve just backing them to a dock.

Generally speaking the standard single trailer today is 53', trains usually involve two 30' to 36' trailers. Length of tractor does get close on those trains. However when you split them in the city and use single axle tractors for delivery, they are very manuverable and agile. I once had a guy ask how I got by some construction with s/a tractor and 36' trailer. My responce, " This rig is close to a Honda civic around town."

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little john

02-05-2007 17:54:00




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 Re: OT trucks, often big is deceiving in reply to Hugh Mackay, 02-05-2007 08:59:10  
Thanks to you and NDS for your explanation.



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Hugh MacKay

02-05-2007 03:28:01




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to TODD in MI, 02-04-2007 13:44:32  
Todd: I've read the posts since my earlier posting. Your getting hung up on some misleading info. Just about every truck IH build can be had in several wheel bases from very little longer than a full size pickup to close to 20'. A highway tractor is nothing special, you can turn any truck into a highway tractor. Most likely it's done with air brake trucks.

My Chevy C-70 had air brakes and a 23,000 lb rear end and 9,000 lb front end. The wheel base was a wee bit longer than my 78 Chevy C-20, but overall the pickup was longer by about 4". In 75 you could buy the C-70 truck as light as 15,500 rear and 6,000 front or your could buy it 12,000 front and 40,000 rear tandem. IH was the same. It's no different today, one can still buy light duty highway tractors. The basic difference today is they all use the same rear end, same transmission and very likely same engine.

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Brent in IA

02-04-2007 19:34:26




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to TODD in MI, 02-04-2007 13:44:32  
While this isn't what she would have seen 20 years ago, it sure would be cool to have one now.



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Brent in IA

02-04-2007 19:43:42




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to Brent in IA, 02-04-2007 19:34:26  
Here is another longer article with more pictures of the same 1995 Dodge/Peterbilt conversion.



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the tractor vet

02-04-2007 17:49:44




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to TODD in MI, 02-04-2007 13:44:32  
She may have been thinking of or seen the OLD I H 2000 as they were a SMALL semi basicly they were sorta like a loadstar about the size of a 1600 but sat on 100x20 rubber back years ago some guys liked them as they were light most were sigal axes now some guys extended there frames added a tag axel on air bags and a small and i do mean small sleeper that was only one wide but could be two deep at times , As for power most were 238 Detroit but some came did have 250 Cummins and some guys added a turbo or hoped them up to a 335 and if ya sat one nezt to a regular semi it was just about half size , Almost bought one till i rode a day with a friend that had just about one it was hot it was noisey and no room .

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TODD in MI

02-04-2007 18:09:04




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to the tractor vet, 02-04-2007 17:49:44  
Got a picture of the IH? I can't find a picture of the IH 2000. I think the wheelbase of the loadstar would be about right though.



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TODD in MI

02-04-2007 17:57:26




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to the tractor vet, 02-04-2007 17:49:44  
thanks I'll look it up.



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wayne from wi

02-04-2007 17:18:03




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to TODD in MI, 02-04-2007 13:44:32  

Might she have seen a custom built unit with an extended sleeper, or 4 door cab, like what is used by horse owners to travel to shows,etc. There are companies that will use the cab and chassis of your choice and build what you want... Wayne



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TODD in MI

02-04-2007 17:37:19




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to wayne from wi, 02-04-2007 17:18:03  
Just the opposite. Two door with Small sleeper. The style like the truck in the link I posted a couple posts down. She did a double take when I pulled that picture up. She says it looked just like that, but smaller. She says half that size. I'm running out of ideas other than it was truly a one of a kind or her memory. I know we all remember thinks a little different than they really were. Thanks for trying. Know any websites dedicated to classic big rigs?

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Tom in Central Pa

02-04-2007 15:18:41




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to TODD in MI, 02-04-2007 13:44:32  
There are some of those handy/ machinist type guys who build or modify Big truck bodies to fit on a 1 Ton chassis. You can buy a kit or ready made! Check out www.lilbigrig.com Tom



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TODD in MI

02-04-2007 16:57:08




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to Tom in Central Pa, 02-04-2007 15:18:41  
Thanks for the link. Close but no cigar. The wife just turned 30 so late 70 early 80 era. It could still have been a kit, but was not a truck with the smooth lines of the modern rigs or the 40's 50's either.

Something closer to this.



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NDS

02-04-2007 15:08:45




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to TODD in MI, 02-04-2007 13:44:32  
There are a lot of commercial rigs on the road today that would meet that description they call them hot shots. Many are 1 ton trucks some with 5th wheels some with goose neck hitch, trailers are ausually 30 to 40 foot flatbeds but some are as short as 20 feet. I never get on Interstate for long without seeing some I notice that kind of thing because I have been around trucks all mt life. My dad had a new 1940 GMC that was no bigger than todays 1 tons and a 25 foot flatbed that was leased on to Malone Freightline for a while.

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TODD in MI

02-04-2007 17:43:14




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to NDS, 02-04-2007 15:08:45  
Thanks for the suggestion I'll do a search and see what turns up.



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Hugh MacKay

02-04-2007 14:39:37




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to TODD in MI, 02-04-2007 13:44:32  
Todd: Gosh is it just you, CNKS, Allan and I that are around here this afternoon. I guess the Super Bowl guys don't have time to come up for air.

Your question at hand, small tractor trailers. Back in the 1970 I had a rig on my farm, Chevy C-70 single axle tractor, very little difference in wheel base from a pickup, yet air brakes. I had 2 trailers; a drop deck 40' (includes both decks) and a 32' flat bed. Both these trailers were tandem axles. At grain time I rented a tanden axle aluminum dump trailer only 20'. There were a lot of like outfits on the road back then, and most of the manufacturers of single axle tractors were IH, GM and Ford, many of them were diesel and air brakes.

By todays standards those would look close to 1/2 size, many of them were, although most were closer to 5/8 size. They were very efficient little trucks, most could haul payloads of 20 ton, and get 8-9 mpg doing it. I have heard of some of the newer diesels making 10 mpg. I could haul both my 1066 and 656 together on that drop deck trailer.

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TODD in MI

02-04-2007 14:48:58




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-04-2007 14:39:37  
Thanks Hugh Now I have a little more info to go on. I was beginning to think she saw a one of a kind truck. I was just not coming up with any pictures or information. As for football... well I'm here and not glued to the boob tube.



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John M

02-04-2007 14:36:52




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to TODD in MI, 02-04-2007 13:44:32  
Loadstar, Fleetstar ,maybe.They werent accual tractor-trailer type trucks,but could have easily been outfitted with the hitchs to pull smaller trailers.See alot of old school buses and fleet trucks used them.



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TODD in MI

02-04-2007 14:40:46




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to John M, 02-04-2007 14:36:52  
Thanks I'll check it out.



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CNKS

02-04-2007 14:01:32




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to TODD in MI, 02-04-2007 13:44:32  
International does (or did in the last couple of years) make a "pickup" that is larger than a pickup and smaller than a semi. Lists for about $95000 -- I have seen one passing thru western Kansas, perhaps she saw one of those. I don't know of any older ones that were ever in production. I suppose someone could take one of their smaller trucks and convert it to what you describe, though. There are a lot of custom rigs around by several manufacturers.

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TODD in MI

02-04-2007 14:12:14




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to CNKS, 02-04-2007 14:01:32  
Thanks CNKS, I've seen those in my searches but not what she's looking for.



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Allan In NE

02-04-2007 13:59:46




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to TODD in MI, 02-04-2007 13:44:32  
Yeah,

They made those things for the winter snow-birds to haul their fifth-wheel campers south in the winter time.

Cute little outfits.

Allan



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TODD in MI

02-04-2007 14:20:33




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 Re: OT trucks/rigs/semi's in reply to Allan In NE, 02-04-2007 13:59:46  
Are you talking about the CXT/MXT that CNKS mentioned or something different? I'm looking for something in the 70's or 80's era.



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