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JM in Merit

02-03-2007 19:54:55

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Got a new baler (to me) and rolled some hay and knew I was making them heavy but was suprised when I went to pick up the bale with a 3 point hay forks on my 1066 with 1000 LB of weights on the front and the front wheels come off the ground a little. Never came close to having the front end on my tractor to come off the ground before. Wished I had scales, sure like to know what the hay weighs
JM

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JM in Merit

02-04-2007 10:57:01

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Re: OT how heavy are they? in reply to JM in Merit, 02-03-2007 19:54:55

I am baling with a Vermmer 605 K . When I was hauling one bale out of the field I was going downhill and was in 5th gear and shifted to 6 but did not pop it and front came off the ground, not much as I did not realize but guy that was traveling beside me said he saw space between tire and groud.
The 3 point forks is what I call just the normal 3 point forks and I backed into bale as far as I could. I know when I loaded the traier in the dry milo field, after loading 2 bales the axles sunk to the dirt. The trailer is one of those 5 bale carrie that you can trip lever and pusk off the bales when yo get home, all in a row.
I actually broke the forks and had to reweld them. I was baling milo stalks and they were not green but could have cured another day when I baled them. I actually back off the baler and made samller bales as was doing it on shares and farmer wanted smaller bale, so only had about 20 bales of these heavy ones
I do know I sold one bale to a guy in the field and he came to load it and could not lift one, I told him I had two half bales and take them. He could not lift them and said he had lifted 1200 bales before with ease. He finally jumped the bale on trailer by pushing them on, which I do not recomdem and I have seen some get killed doing this.
I did cut back on pressure and size and bales were lighter, but after sitting for 4 months i will still suprised my front end came off the ground when I lifted them. It did not come off much but I saw some space between tire and ground.
I hope i never bale anything that heavy again, I like heavy bales but they been a little hard to handle and feed in the rings.
I wish I had some scales, nothing really important to know but just curious to what they weigh.
Thanks to everyone

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Allan In NE

02-04-2007 04:10:18

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Re: OT how heavy are they? in reply to JM in Merit, 02-03-2007 19:54:55

Lots of factors to consider.

What kind of a carrier and how far back does it set, how many sets of rear weights and are the rear tires loaded, what kind of a baler, what are you baling, what kind of surface are you operating on?

Walking a tractor on two wheels is a fairly common occurance; doesn't necessarily mean there is a lot of weight back there. I can cock one up with 800lbs if the conditions are right.

Allan

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Randy as in Randy-IA

02-04-2007 10:56:50

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Re: OT how heavy are they? in reply to Allan In NE, 02-04-2007 04:10:18

Hi Allan , I think I caught you on something here ;)--- " how many sets of rear weights and are the rear tires loaded, " --- . I know that my physics aren't that good but if you pick something up to the rear of the rear axle the axle itself becomes the fulcrum and the front of the tractor becomes the moment arm . So weight in the fulcrum area (wheel weight ) is a non issue since it's just carrying the fulcrum ( the axle ) and doesn't factor in to the load carrying ability of the TPH or the tractor for that matter unless it's got a loader then the fulcrum moves to the front axle . I may not have explained that very well but that's the best my feeble mind could muster this morning . Hope you aren't freezing ( hovering around zero to 5 below right now ) Have a goodun ...Randy

PS - Iron wheel weights effect the the total load capacity of the tire but fluid inside the tire does not .

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Allan In NE

02-04-2007 13:57:17

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Re: OT how heavy are they? in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 02-04-2007 10:56:50

Nope, not the load carrying limit, but we're talking about when the front end will come up.

If the rear wheels are weighted and loaded, it takes power to over come that weight to actually turn the wheel. If the load weight on the hitch is such, additional wheel weight can "lower" the "event-horizon or point" where the front end will lift.

Follow me?

From a dead stop and releasing the clutch, that front end will lift easier if the "dead weight" of the rear wheels are heavier. Tractor wants to "rotate" around that axle rather than turn it.

Just like you've heard of a little Ford tractor flippin' over backwards because it's tires were frozen to the ground. Same principle.

Allan

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Randy as in Randy-IA

02-04-2007 19:16:10

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Re: OT how heavy are they? in reply to Allan In NE, 02-04-2007 13:57:17

Hi Allan , I see your point on the rotation of the tractor around the wheel . Big heavy tires are hard to get moving . But that's only when trying to get moving which I understand from JM's first post he wasn't doing . He was just lifting it the way I read it . In his second post he mentions going downhill and shifting which raised the front which fits what you said . Either way he's right they are heavy if he's lifting the wheels up . Take care ...Randy

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Hugh MacKay

02-04-2007 05:15:22

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Re: OT how heavy are they? in reply to Allan In NE, 02-04-2007 04:10:18

Allan: I thought Nebraska was flat, you must have some 12' long bale spears out there. In all the years I had my 1066, I can't remember seeing air under front wheels, not even the night I towed a dead tractor trailer, weighing 80,000#, up a 1/4 mile long 30% grade, with cable hooked in cross bar of 3 point and it up all the way. Those 66 series with 400 engine and 1,000# up front just don't come that easy.

I never hauled round bales on my hitches, used loaders and trailers, however I see guys around here with 120 hp tractors using dual spears and two 5x6 bales at a time, with little or no added front end weight.

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Allan In NE

02-04-2007 05:52:33

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Re: OT how heavy are they? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-04-2007 05:15:22

Mornin' Hugh,

I was "assuming" a little more into his post than was there. :>)

Yep I know where you're coming from, just a static deadlift won't show daylight, but that clutch, throttle, brakes and/or T/A sure will; all depending what's going on at the time.

He!!, I can bring the front end off any tractor, just crawling up my driveway totally empty. :>)

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

02-04-2007 03:43:43

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Re: OT how heavy are they? in reply to JM in Merit, 02-03-2007 19:54:55

JM: Something not adding up here, a 1066 with 1,000# front end weight would quite easily pickup and go with 5,000#. The Cat.III hitch is rated at 7,500# lift. I operated a Rockland Rotoveyor with my 1066, using 2,400# of front end weight. The Rotoveyor is very close to the 7,500# onthe 3 point hitch. I had no problem with front end coming up, it did slide a bit on turns, thus one had to use brakes a bit to steer.

I think what your seeing is 3 point lift shock through the tractor. That is still a long ways from front end coming up. I had a 5 bottom semi-mount plow and a 10' 3 point chisel plow. Either one of those would have as much weight as a bale, and I never used any front weight with those. I did have to use 6 front weights if I hooked either of the plows to 656.

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Levi K

02-03-2007 20:38:34

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Re: OT how heavy are they? in reply to JM in Merit, 02-03-2007 19:54:55

It depends, a six foot bale, the moisture of the hay, the compaction of the hay, stuff like that. I would have to say about 1200 to 1400 My uncle has a Vermeer 605M and when he gets a new customer, they always comment what a difference between him and the other people, one guy said he has a little Ford and he was picking up other bales just fine and when he picked up my uncle's bales he was looking at the sky. it depends on a lot of factors.

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