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Qustion on IH remote stroke control hydralic cylin

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Gonzo in michig

02-01-2007 16:08:12




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Bought a nice IH 5100 soybean special drill and its has an older but still very good IH remote hydralic cylinder. The decal is still visible and its says 3 1/2 stroke control ASAE cylinder. The stroke control must be part of the cylinder internals and all i can see is an external tube that runs from end to end and what looks like a button on the end cap. Does anyone know how this thing works? I have the manuel for the drill but it has nothing about the use of this type of cylinder. A stroke control would sure be better than the clamp spacers that go on the rod.

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Hugh MacKay

02-02-2007 02:37:51




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 Re: Qustion on IH remote stroke control hydralic c in reply to Gonzo in michigan, 02-01-2007 16:08:12  
Gonzo: Those cylinders are priceless, anyone who has never experienced using one don't realize all others are basically junk. Not only do they have that stroke control feature, the hydraulic cylinder itself is superior quality to anything you can buy today.

I had several of those on my farm some 3.5 and some 4.5 and also had a few of the others. In 25 years I never had one of those IH stroke control cylinders apart, and they were being used on heavy equipment like 20'disk, 25' cultivator, etc. Excellent quality.

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NDS

02-01-2007 18:14:11




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 Re: Qustion on IH remote stroke control hydralic c in reply to Gonzo in michigan, 02-01-2007 16:08:12  
ejr-IA has it right. Hold on to that cylinder it is a goodun really handy feature and I don't think they are still being made.



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Gonzo in michigan

02-01-2007 16:54:02




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 Re: Qustion on IH remote stroke control hydralic c in reply to Gonzo in michigan, 02-01-2007 16:08:12  
My cylinder must be missing this stop. The pictures in the manuel do not point out this stop, i can see something in one picture that looks like one. I have to stop at an IH dealer for some parts yet this winter and will ask about it. I am sure i could make something up if they can not help me. I just need to see one and could dupicate something close. On my other drill i used a cylinder with a screw out ajuster on the clevis head and the rod spacers maybe i will like this one better. Thanks for your reply.

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ejr-IA.

02-01-2007 16:22:46




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 Re: Qustion on IH remote stroke control hydralic c in reply to Gonzo in michigan, 02-01-2007 16:08:12  
Their should be a adjustable stop on the ram that you can move for what stroke you want the cylinder to stop at when it is retracting.This stop pushes against the pin and kicks of your remote hydralic lever and the cylinder stops at that setting.



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Randy as in Randy-IA

02-01-2007 18:59:09




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 Re: Qustion on IH remote stroke control hydralic c in reply to ejr-IA., 02-01-2007 16:22:46  
Hi , Sorry to bust in on this thread with another question . I got a couple of these type cylinders at auction last year and they work without leaking . My questions are : Do the kickouts only work with IH tractor hydraulics ? I'm using them with my Oliver 1755 ( closed center ) and I'm not sure how they are supposed to work . If the stop is moved to half way or something and it doesn't kick out the hydrualics will it destroy itself ? I only gave about $25 for both of them plus 6 others ( not the same kinds ) on a pallet at a farm auction . But I still don't want to break them . Thanks ...Randy

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Hugh MacKay

02-03-2007 01:23:31




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 Re: Qustion on IH remote stroke control hydralic c in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 02-01-2007 18:59:09  
Randy: If your hydraulics don't kick out, I think the plumbing will break first. Basically all that button does is shut off flow of oil.

The question I always had about those cylinders is what happens when you have internal bypassing within the cylinder. I've bought off the shelf after market 4" bore cylinders that started internal bypassing after couple years of use. I've also had rams bend on those cheap cylinders. In 25 years of use, some of it quite severe service, I've never had one of those IH stroke control cylinders bypass internally, nor have I ever bent a ram or broke a yoke.

I had close to a dozen implement cylinders in my farming days, and nothing measured up to those IH cylinders. One thing that IH did get right. Having said that, I believe Deere built a cylinder of their own that was of equal quality. There has also been a lot of junk on the market, believe me, I've compared notes with farmer users.

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Nat 2

02-02-2007 12:04:05




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 Re: Qustion on IH remote stroke control hydralic c in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 02-01-2007 18:59:09  
Randy,

Modern hydraulic systems like the one in your Oliver 1755 are supposed to have a built-in relief valve to prevent damage.

Even if you hold the hydraulic lever down after the cylinder hits its end of stroke (or the stop pin), you can't break anything. You will hear a squealing noise coming from inside the tractor when the relief valve activates.

Even old tractors like Hs and Ms have relief valves inside the belly pumps.

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Brian in MO

02-02-2007 11:19:20




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 Re: Qustion on IH remote stroke control hydralic c in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 02-01-2007 18:59:09  
Randy they can be used with any tractor, they just close a internal valve on the cylinder when the stop pushes the rod. I'm not sure about your 1755's hydraulics but most hydraulic levers will go to the "neutral" spot when the cylinder bottoms out that's really all the cylinder is doing, if yours keeps putting presure after it stops I suppose you could push the seals out of the cylinder.



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GeneMO

02-01-2007 18:19:23




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 Re: Qustion on IH remote stroke control hydralic c in reply to ejr-IA., 02-01-2007 16:22:46  
Case/Ih should be able to get you this stop. I will work great for what you want. Never had one malfunction. Good feature

Gene



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