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Farmall 130 carburator acting up

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Hugh MacKay

02-01-2007 05:57:57




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Yesterday morning I went out to plow snow, about -10C or 15F. 130 fired right up, initially I was plowing 1/2 throttle in 1st gear. After about 15 min. tractor started to sputter and at first was able to keep it running with choke. After about 2 min. and with choke out all the way it died. My first reaction was ice, thus I added some methyl hydrate to fuel, loosened fuel line at carb to insure fuel was coming and to speed up mh getting to carb. 10 min. plowing again 1/2 throttle and same thing. Next I removed elbo and screen to carb. It was not plugged, however I did blow air through it. 10 min. later and same thing again.

This time I changed oil in breather, and put a wrench on carb mounting bolts. I got about a 1/4 turn on those. By now my yard and short little pushes were all cleaned up, just my 400' driveway left. Out of the shed and full throttle in 2nd gear pushing snow often to top of blade and lugging the tractor quite hard. I decided while things were working well to roll the snow well back on fields. This went on for about an hour, now i have a trail abot 30' wide that will allow me drifting space should the 130 not want to work well next time.

Sure enough I got back to shed idled it down, while idling it stopped. it stopped 3 more times idling while I was backing it in the shed. All this morning action caused 90 min. plowing to take 3 hours. By then this old carcas was cold enough I decided fixing could wait for warmer time.

Could a leak in the gasket between carb and manifold be causing this, or do I need to delve deeper into carb. I can tell you this carb ocasionally leaks while tractor is parked, thus I shut the gas off every night. It has been that way since the last carb kit close to 6 years ago. I'm just trying to decide whether I go for a gasket this am, or a complete carb kit. Any advice would be appreciated.

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Hugh MacKay

02-01-2007 08:58:53




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 Re: Farmall 130 carburator acting up in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-01-2007 05:57:57  
To scotty, Rusty, vet and gene, thanks for all the advice and I must admit I had given thought to each and all suggestions. Vet your right the coils can almost drive one to drink, and yes gene I realize the cold weather would have that effect. However if you go back to point where I tightened carb to manifold and changed oil in breather, then I went plowing full throttle in second gear for a good hour. There was no ice under the snow not even frost in the soybean stubble, thus probably 80% of that hour I was luggung the tractor almost to it's rated horse power. In other words I really gave the tractor a good workout, it was well warmed up when I got back to the shed. Bear in mind it had not been off full throttle for that hour. Less than 30 seconds at idle and she died starting right back up and it died 3 times getting backed in, starting right back up each time. That tended to lead me away from coil, points, condencer, etc.

I have since removed the carb and disassembled. It probably needs a complete kit, however CaseIH don't have one in stock, they will have it by tomorrow. I cleaned it, blew out all prorts with air and put it back together. Three items I noticed; main jet was dirty, needle valve is worn and the gasket between the two halves was not sealing at end next to choke.

I put it back together as I have to go another direction other than CaseIH tomorrow, thus I will not get to them until Mon. It might snow on weekend. I expect what I've done will make it work as well or better than it did. I'll let you know in a couple of hours. 11:45 am here, thus I'll leave it until after lunch, that is unless I get sent out with it. Right now, it's on top of old newspaper on the old roll top desk. I am taking a bit of heat assembling a carb on the desk, but I had to use a bit of gasket black to cure the gasket. Then there is the smell of carburator just off from kitchen and dining room. I'm truly blessed enjoying such popularity.

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Hugh MacKay

02-01-2007 13:30:56




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 Re: Farmall 130, 4:30 pm EST in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-01-2007 08:58:53  
We cured the carburator, the 130 is up and running. I just spent an hour pushing back snow, giving myself a bit more room for drifting. Installed the carb, it fired right up, worked it hard and worked it easy, when I was done parked it in front of shop door and let idle for 10 min. Worked like charm.

I expect that leaky gasket, between two halves of carb was most of my grief although dirt was a factor. Thanks again guys for all your suggestions and advice. Amazing how one can tinker these old carbs up and have them work. I'll pick that kit up first of week, but doubt if I have to install until warm weather.

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gene bender

02-01-2007 10:47:34




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 Re: Farmall 130 carburator acting up in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-01-2007 08:58:53  
That sounds like one of those carbs where the gasket seems to shrink in that area. Now when i find one of those till i can get a gasket i will put the gasket in a bowl of water and in the mircro range and boil the water then i can carefully stretch the gasket back into shape then reassemble and works every time.



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Hugh MacKay

02-01-2007 11:17:30




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 Re: Farmall 130 carburator acting up in reply to gene bender, 02-01-2007 10:47:34  
gene: That is exactly what happened, the gasket was all shrunk at that end going right across the opening. I laid it between two pieces of 1.5" square stock steel, that took the wrinkles out. I'm going out now to put it back on, I think I'll get tractor out push some drifts back, see how it's working anyhow. Not snowing here today, but the stuff that came Tues. night was like fluff and it's drifting bad today. Oh for one of those good old east coast snows, wet enough so it stays where you put it.

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gene bender

02-02-2007 05:20:12




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 Re: Farmall 130 carburator acting up in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-01-2007 11:17:30  
We got luck last friday temps got in hi 40s and what little snow we had sure shrank down so now we can be ready for the next batch, Didnt you say you have a v-shaped plow how wide and tall is it ? Friend wants one built for next winter as the guy who clears the drives for the four houses in the big circle isnt going to do it next yr. JAY will use his narrowed B with woods mower. We are going with weed chains and he wants a V-blade. will use the lift lever for the mower to raise blade plan on blade being 24hi and 72 wide.

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Hugh MacKay

02-02-2007 11:12:07




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 Re: Farmall 130 carburator acting up in reply to gene bender, 02-02-2007 05:20:12  
gene: My blade is just a straight 6' angle blade, curved and about 18" high. When I was a teenager my dad had a 7' IH angle blade for the H and later had it on 300 both with narrow front. One day we were in the village at feed store and a guy was plowing with a Super A and IH factory angle blade. We watched him for a spell. On the way home dad suggested we plowed our snow with the wrong tractor.

Plowing with 300 and 7' angle blade that narrow front would push sideways, even keeping on the brake. With my 130, I head into snow rolling back over blade with blade angled, and rarely do I ever have to step on brake. I'd shy away from narrow front pushing snow if I were you. I'll send you some photos.

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the tractor vet

02-01-2007 09:09:49




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 Re: Farmall 130 carburator acting up in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-01-2007 08:58:53  
IF i even tryed to work on a carb in the house my hide would be tacked up on the back side of the house and the rest of me would be coing in the big green truck tomarrow morning before the sun rises.



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Hugh MacKay

02-01-2007 09:27:18




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 Re: Farmall 130 carburator acting up in reply to the tractor vet, 02-01-2007 09:09:49  
Vet: My shed wasn't bad this morning, but it was below freezing in there, thus I did all the diassembly, cleaning, etc. out there. I could see the only way I could patch up the gasket was with some gasket black, and that will work better in the heat. I've since had the carb relagated to the basement. I don't usually even get away with this much. I pleaded too cold outside.



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RustyFarmall

02-01-2007 12:15:46




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 Re: Farmall 130 carburator acting up in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-01-2007 09:27:18  
I should consider myself lucky. At present there is a total of four carburetors on the kitchen table, along with the tools needed to take them apart and put them back together. Although I will confess that I did the actual cleaning out in the shop.



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Heat Houser

02-01-2007 08:27:02




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 Re: Farmall 130 carburator acting up in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-01-2007 05:57:57  
Is the fuel cap vent frozen shut?
It ran after pouring in the methyl hydrate which necessated removing the cap and breaking the slight vacuum if any.



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gene bender

02-01-2007 06:49:57




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 Re: Farmall 130 carburator acting up in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-01-2007 05:57:57  
one thing i do quick when something like that happens is pull #1plug wire and hook to a grounded spare plug to see if it is spark or fuel sure helps knowing whether fuel or fire cause in cold weather the coil will cool down quick



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the tractor vet

02-01-2007 06:37:49




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 Re: Farmall 130 carburator acting up in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-01-2007 05:57:57  
Also chech the sediment bowl and fuel tank as you may have something getting in or over the inlet .Also check the coil for getting hot and breaking down. that one drove me nuts on my S/H.



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RustyFarmall

02-01-2007 06:12:55




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 Re: Farmall 130 carburator acting up in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-01-2007 05:57:57  
It's a puzzle. First thought, because you gained a quarter turn on the carb to manifold bolts, maybe that gasket is leaking, but only a quarter turn is not much, probably not enough for the gasket to have been damaged.

I also know that this gasoline we get today can do funny things to a rubber tipped needle valve. Maybe it is sticking?



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scotty

02-01-2007 06:08:39




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 Re: Farmall 130 carburator acting up in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-01-2007 05:57:57  
Mornin Hugh, Has the tractor been sittin alot with no run time ? Try taking off the front cap nut giving you access to the main jet. Remove the main jet or clean it out with a piece of wire and try it again. Had the same problem on my 42A.

scotty



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RustyFarmall

02-01-2007 06:33:49




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 Re: Farmall 130 carburator acting up in reply to scotty, 02-01-2007 06:08:39  
Scotty, that did cross my mind. It doesn't take a very big piece of crud to restrict that part.



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