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46 A ,no start

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Bev Moore

01-29-2007 12:32:21




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I have a 46 A which has had a starting problem so I learned for the last 25yrs.I got the tractor ,which had been my Grandfathers, now my son's, It seems someone had put a ring gear and starter on but it still wont start. After taking the starter off yesterday I did some measuring and found the leading edge of the gear to be 2 3/4" from starter mounting flange.This only lets the drive engage about a1/2 tooth. Can anybody tell me if I possibly have a drive thats to short? Thanks

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Roger Mills

01-29-2007 19:30:46




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 Re: 46 A ,no start in reply to Bev Moore, 01-29-2007 12:32:21  
Bev, they are right and so are you, the ring gear can be checked to see if it was put on backwards-look in at the teeth, they should have a 45 deg (about) bevel on each tooth if they are squared off it is backwards. Also it appears that it was put on too far forward. I have an A and two IA's and all three have the ring gear 2" in from the starter flange, (within 1/8"). You said that the starter turns the engine if it sits at some other place than the two normal stopping places, again look at the teeth. You will probably see that they are worn in at both places and so-the starter drive gear won't engage to turn the engine. BTDT several times. once you see the teeth you will know what needs to be done. Get the clutch drive gear after you get the problem fixed.

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Janicholson

01-29-2007 16:47:31




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 Re: 46 A ,no start in reply to Bev Moore, 01-29-2007 12:32:21  
Replace the drive on the starter with a clutch type drive from CaseIH (the dealership) they solve a variety of problems. The starter could be internally shimmed wrong. Look below several pages to find posted pictures of a similar problem. JayWalt posted Page three I think, and one further back to p4 or 5, good luck, JimN



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El Toro

01-29-2007 16:19:31




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 Re: 46 A ,no start in reply to Bev Moore, 01-29-2007 12:32:21  
You should post the number on the starter. Someone on here can probably tell from the number if it's for an A. Hal
PS: Post a picture of the starter too.



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El Toro

01-29-2007 12:56:06




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 Re: 46 A ,no start in reply to Bev Moore, 01-29-2007 12:32:21  
Are you sure the starter drive is engaging the ring gear? Do you mean the the starter doesn't crank the engine? You should hand crank the engine to make sure the engine isn't seized. You can even start the engine with a crank. You need to make sure its out of gear with the brakes set. Those starter drives travel several inches when battery voltage is applied to the starter, you need a fully charged battery and you should have 00 battery cables too. All connections need to cleaned at the battery, starter and the area where the battery is grounded. Remove any rust or paint where its grounded. Hal

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Bev Moore

01-29-2007 13:21:18




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 Re: 46 A ,no start in reply to El Toro, 01-29-2007 12:56:06  
Thanks Hal,I should have mentioned the starter does engage ,if the motor is turned past either one of the 2 normal stops.When measuring the depth the drive is coming out ,it is only 21/4" out from starter nose mount surface.This doesn"t let the drive engage the ring more than a 1/4 tooth.A new ring gear and drive will not help.The depth of engagement would still be the same unless the drive was different.I don"t even know if there is a long or short drive available.

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HAS

01-29-2007 17:24:14




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 Re: 46 A ,no start in reply to Bev Moore, 01-29-2007 13:21:18  
Bev,

Hal might disagree with me on this, but if that has always been a problem since the ring gear & starter was added, the ring gear may have been put on backwards. If so, I'm surprised it isn't rubbing on something though.

What do you think Hal?



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El Toro

01-30-2007 03:57:47




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 Re: 46 A ,no start in reply to HAS, 01-29-2007 17:24:14  
It could be the problem as you stated. A picture may help. It may be the wrong starter, from her message it sounded like this was an add on. Hal



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Bev Moore

01-31-2007 06:45:08




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 Re: 46 A ,no start in reply to El Toro, 01-30-2007 03:57:47  
Thanks for all the input guys,gives me some ideas on where to look.Theres also an IH combine tucked in the barn where this tractor lived,it has a 113 power plant, so I pulled the starter from it and found the ring in a different poition.Further back on the flywheel about 1/8".After some more questions to the last uncle that had anything to do with it he guesses it did start a couple of times.Upon further inspection before splitting it looks like the gear had been heated liberally in one spot with a torch, possibly pushed ahead? I"ll see when we split it I guess.Anyway thanks all and "HER" is a"HIM".

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El Toro

02-02-2007 07:20:11




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 Re: 46 A ,no start in reply to Bev Moore, 01-31-2007 06:45:08  
One thing that I forgot to tell you when you split the tractor is that you need to block up under the drawbaw. When the engine is removed the back of the tractor will tilt backwards. I would try to keep almost level so it will be easier to reinstall the engine. It's easier if you have level concrete floor too. Hal



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El Toro

01-31-2007 07:14:05




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 Re: 46 A ,no start in reply to Bev Moore, 01-31-2007 06:45:08  
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Let us know what you find. I used a cherry picker (engine hoist) to pull the engine off an A. It was in sad shape when I bought it. Be sure to use an alignment tool on your clutch so it slide on the spline easily. Here's a picture of the A I restored in 1976. Picture was taken with a Polaroid camera and is a little dark. The moldboard plow is attached too. Hal

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