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auction mystery regulator. find

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farmerjohninpa

01-28-2007 22:57:44




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bought a box lot at a local farm auction and there was a new regulator. it is stamped pos. or neg. ground ! it has a connector on the bottom that i awlays called the horn connection,which is not marked,,but on the side it has 3 lugs one is marked "f" second is "bat"and third is marked "l". the box is marked farmall h. been a while but i thought there had to be a lug marked "gen" for the farmall "h" ?? looked at my "bn"and "b" and the 3lugs on it are marked; "l",,"bat",,and "gen". whats the story here on different marked regs, do they require a different generators,,such as a three brush ?? i guess i was under the assumption that all regs. were the same and there were 2 styles of generators. not a problem just an inquiry on a snowy nite in lancaster. thanks, john

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Janicholson

01-29-2007 08:13:56




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 Re: auction mystery regulator. find in reply to farmerjohninpa, 01-28-2007 22:57:44  
I agree with John T's assessmant. A mid years H regulator with a terminal that is often connected to the light switch on the side supplying voltage, not the lamp side. JimN



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John T

01-29-2007 09:05:05




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 Re: auction mystery regulator. find in reply to Janicholson, 01-29-2007 08:13:56  
Jim, Im glad you agree with my assessment, not sure if I do now lol. I think what he calls terminal "1" is really the "L" (LOAD) terminal used to supply hot battery voltage to the lights and ignition as we both seem to agree. Of course, he can use it but if those same loads were fed off the ammeters load terminal (like if he only had a 3 terminal VR before) as we know they would still function.

Take care yall

John T

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Janicholson

01-29-2007 09:13:25




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 Re: auction mystery regulator. find in reply to John T, 01-29-2007 09:05:05  
Yup. JimN



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John T

01-29-2007 07:00:31




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 Re: auction mystery regulator. find in reply to farmerjohninpa, 01-28-2007 22:57:44  
John Im NOT any authority on the many different types of Voltage Regulators used on Farmalls, Bob M may well have the EXACT answer youre looking for, I dont have any specs or data laying around. That being said (Im an attorney I love disclaimers lol) heres some general things Ive long observed relative to your question: (Sure that 1 isnt an L ????, I think its the L or LOAD terminal, see below) )

MOST 3 terminal Voltage Regulators (BAT ARM/GEN FLD) have all 3 terminals side by side.

MANY 4 terminal (BAT ARM/GEN FLD LOAD) Voltage Regulators have the BAT FLD LOAD terminals all together side by side while the ARM/GEN terminal is off to one side or the bottom all by itself.

When they used the 4 terminal VR's, loads like lights and ignition etc were fed voltage from the VR's LOAD terminal while if they used 3 terminal VR's teh saem were fed voltage from the ammeters Load side terminal.

MANY older tractors didnt use a full fledged 3 or 4 terminal VR but instead only a 2 terminal Cutout Relay (BAT GEN) and MOST of them were for 3 brush generators HOWEVER I have seen the older 3 brush gennys that still used a full fledged 3 or 4 terminal VR.

BOTTOM LINE regardless if you have a 2 or 3 brush genny and regardless if the tracotr was originally equipped with a simple 2 terminal Cutout Relay or a 3 or even a 4 terminal VR, if that VR you have is suitable for your ground (Pos or Neg) I can tell you how to wire it up to make it work !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!

My "Best Guess" FWIW is on that VR you have its a 4 terminal and the 3 together are BAT FLD and the other one what I call L or LOAD while the unmarked terminal all by itself is the ARM/GEN terminal, if so its wired as follows:

BAT to load (NOT battery/starter) side of ammeter....

FLD to gennys Field post

L (LOAD) feeds voltage up to the dash to its Ignition and Lights BAT input terminals. (Maybe thats the 1 terminal???)

Unmarked Terminal (off on side or bottom by itself) wires to the gennys ARM post.

If this is incorrect hopefully Bob or Bob M or Hal or Jim can provide the correct answer, I gave it my best shot

Take care yall

John T

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