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John Williamson

01-25-2007 19:45:26

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Is there such a tractor as a B450? my brother saw one in Mexico and it looked like an H.

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Bill46

01-26-2007 10:34:11

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Re: tractor in reply to John Williamson, 01-25-2007 19:45:26

Yep...got one here in Texas. Everyone is right...it looks like an M, but with a British diesel. Runs all day on 5 gallon of fuel when pulling an 8 foot mower.
Mine starts and runs fine, but is really awkard in tight places.
I have a 450D and it gives it a real run for for the money when pulling hard.

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Harold H

01-26-2007 08:43:47

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Re: tractor in reply to John Williamson, 01-25-2007 19:45:26

The Farmall version of the B-450 was imported/sold in the Memphis District and in Texas only in the USA. The International version was imported/sold only in Canada. One or two usually show up at each major IH tractor show. Farmall B-450 looks like a M with a three point hitch.

Harold H

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Hugh MacKay

01-26-2007 01:36:06

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Re: tractor in reply to John Williamson, 01-25-2007 19:45:26

John: If you go to a site called, Les Tracteurs Rouges you will find a page of most IH tractors built at various locations in Europe, amoung them England, France and Germany. There are also a few US built tractors, mainly ones that were exported to Europe. There is a photo of each along with the years of manufacture.

In there you will find BM, Super BMD and B450, B in all cases indicates built in Britain. Those tractors were not built in exactly same years as their US relatives. As Bob stated the Super BMD and B-450 both have direct start glow plug diesels. They also have a factory 3 point hitch, and all three use the same sheet metal design as the US built M None of these three ever had TA, thus there was no MTA in the British lineup.

Another tractor the caught my eye in this European lineup was the French C or Super C with a diesel engine. Near as I can tell the H or A were never built in Europe. You'll find lots of interesting facts with a look at the site.

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little john

01-26-2007 03:36:41

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Re: tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-26-2007 01:36:06

Thanks for mentioning that site.....I never knew of it before.

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dave2

01-25-2007 20:32:58

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Re: tractor in reply to John Williamson, 01-25-2007 19:45:26

I found a CD in a store the other day of Tractors of the world. Has pictures and info on just about everything around. Says the B450 was made from '56-'62, has 55HP and has a 4cyl diesel motor. On the Picture, where your "H" or "M" would be is "BM". I'd post a picture for you in the galery if I could figure out how to download it. I'll keep trying.

Dave

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Bob M

01-25-2007 20:18:15

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Re: tractor in reply to John Williamson, 01-25-2007 19:45:26

The B450 is a 450 built in England.

Most significant difference is the diesel engine - the B450 uses a direct electric start diesel vs the start-on-gas diesel found on the domestically produced 450.

Brittish Farmalls

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Wisconsin Cowman

01-25-2007 19:56:02

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Re: tractor in reply to John Williamson, 01-25-2007 19:45:26

Yep there is such a thing. It is more of a M and 450 put together.

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Nat 2

01-26-2007 05:34:15

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Re: tractor in reply to Wisconsin Cowman, 01-25-2007 19:56:02

Actually, it's what the Farmall 450 would have been if IH hadn't been stubborn, and had paid the licensing fees for the glow plug start diesel and the three point hitch to their respective patent holders.

The B450 was built from '56 to '62. In North America, we had THREE series of tractors during the same time period, and none of them had both a direct start diesel and a three point hitch. Says something for the design of the tractor.

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Hugh MacKay

01-26-2007 05:53:59

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Re: tractor in reply to Nat 2, 01-26-2007 05:34:15

Nat: I have to disagree with you on the engine issue. It would have been a mistake to bring those driect start diesels into the northern US and Canada. It was the evolution of direct start diesel not yet ready for our cold winters. We saw the B-250 and B-275 come to Canada, and most owners had to keep a SA or SC around for tow-pup start from Nov. to April. Can you imagine what it would have been like tow-starting those big tractors on ice and snow. At that time block heaters to really do a number on these had not yet been developed.

I can remember guys tow starting those B-275, first you had to find bare ground, then it took a good 1/4 mile with clutch out turning the engine. You couple that with the ease at which gas start diesels fired up, no IH did not make a mistake on that one.

I quite agree with you on 3 point, we should have had it.

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williamf

01-26-2007 10:37:20

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Re: tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-26-2007 05:53:59

That sorta explains why IH only imported the B450 into the South. The 350D I had for a while in high school (This was in '68,'69, so it was about ten years old. I thought it was an antique.) was direct start. I don't remember glow plugs, though. Is that just weak memory?
Wm

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Hugh MacKay

01-26-2007 13:27:50

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Re: tractor in reply to williamf, 01-26-2007 10:37:20

william: Your 350 was different again from either B-450 and US 450. Yours had a Continental diesel. Did it not have a manifold heater?

The British diesels of the 1950s were plain just not climatized for cold weather. Even the first American built glow plug 282s put in 560 and 660 were not as easy starters as 656 and 706. Basically what we have here is the evolution of diesel.

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