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Roger Mills

01-25-2007 08:31:10




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Have an IA that turns out to have thinwall sleeve kit and popup pistons. Gets pretty hot under load for any period of time. Radiator was boiled out and all tubes are clear. I saw posts on putting a water pump from an SC on a B and would like to do it for this IA. The gasket is the same number so I know it will bolt on. What am I going to run into with belts and the generator? Etc. Did the SC also have a thermostat and, if so, will the upper housing fit?

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gene bender

01-25-2007 13:07:30




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 Re: Water pumps how to in reply to Roger Mills, 01-25-2007 08:31:10  
go ahead and get one as it bolts on same place the lower outlet goes. Be sure you get one with a pulley as you do not have one. Belt for C/with water pump also. Dont worry about a thermostat not needed. Slight mod will have to be made for the tightener on the gen. There are several around here with the woods mowers and no problems. You will probably have to do a little bending on the fan blades as they mite hit on the pumps shaft. I grind the shaft flush with the hub this helps clearing.

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Roger Mills

01-25-2007 11:54:34




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 Re: Water pumps how to in reply to Roger Mills, 01-25-2007 08:31:10  
Thanks guys, I assume the A will not have any added problems from the B. What did you have to do to the gen bracket? Good idea Jim-perhaps one that will fit flush against the rad inlet? CNKS, ur probably right about junk in the block-I will be soaking it in soap and naval jelly solution and pressure flushing it as well. Some of the problem may be the thin sleeves. I think the engine was built up to be a puller-runs VERY strong, just too hot to last long. Also, no hint of bubbles in water so no compression leaks. Thanks again.

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Janicholson

01-25-2007 14:26:00




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 Re: Water pumps how to in reply to Roger Mills, 01-25-2007 11:54:34  
I would put it closer to the heat of the engine(other end of hose). Quick heat is better than coolant on the ground. JimN



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Red Dave

01-25-2007 09:16:57




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 Re: Water pumps how to in reply to Roger Mills, 01-25-2007 08:31:10  
I've put a Super C water pump on a B.

You'll need a Super C water pump, fan belt & generator belt. You may have to modify the generator upper mounting bracket too.

It mounts right up, but you will need to change to a different drain outlet on the pump, but that's no problem, as both are drilled and tapped.

There is an issue with thermostats. I haven't found a way yet to put a thermostat into the upper water outlet yet. The outlet from a Super C does not fit, I've tried it.

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Janicholson

01-25-2007 11:04:46




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 Re: Water pumps how to in reply to Red Dave, 01-25-2007 09:16:57  
Remove your upper hose and take it with you to the parts store. Find a Tstst that fits into the hose with just a little bit of pushing. Choose a 175 or 180 degree unit with a little loose fitting in a hole to let air through on filling. Place this in the hose (with the "this side toward radiator toward radator). Push it into place with the outlet to the depth it normally is inserted. Place a stainless steel hose clamp around the perimeter to clamp it into place. I've done it several times with no grief. JimN

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Red Dave

01-25-2007 12:06:08




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 Re: Water pumps how to in reply to Janicholson, 01-25-2007 11:04:46  
I'm glad to hear that it has worked for you, because that is exactly what I'm planning to do.
I have the thermostat and the clamp, both are laying on my work bench. I just haven't gotten around to doing it. I didn't want to suggest it until I had tried it myself.

Now, if I can just find a little time and ambition ;)



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CNKS

01-25-2007 09:12:22




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 Re: Water pumps how to in reply to Roger Mills, 01-25-2007 08:31:10  
Go to www.caseih.com, look up the B and SC and compare the parts -- water pump was an option on the B. As to the overheating, the passages in the block/head may be clogged too. A water pump will help, and may get you by, but you have restricted water flow somewhere.



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