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ncpatriot65

01-17-2007 03:08:06

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I am considering purchasing a Super A for asking price of $1800 (or an offer somewhat under that). The current owner said it ran fine, but had a hydraulic leak somewhere, didn't know where exactly. Any suggestions on looking over this tractor? Could I determine hydraulic issue by eye-balling it before purchase? What is repair price-range on that component? Where do you find serial # on tractor? Anything else I should check out before offer?

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Tom Olson

01-17-2007 18:14:56

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Re: Super A hydraulics in reply to ncpatriot65, 01-17-2007 03:08:06

If hydraulic fluid is leaking into the engine crankcase, it's relatively easy to replace the pump shaft seal. On most SA pumps it's a regular oil seal that will cost about $5.00 at an auto parts store. Mine used a Federal-Mogul/National part # 471466.

Remember that after removing the 2 bolts/lockwashers/nuts that hold the manifold tubes to the pump there are only 2 bolts that hold the pump to the engine. The other 2 hold the pump together. Looking at the rear of the pump, the upper right and lower left bolts are the ones to remove the pump.

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Cue P.

01-17-2007 09:33:06

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Re: Super A hydraulics in reply to ncpatriot65, 01-17-2007 03:08:06

I"ve seen/heard of several Super A hydraulic leaks (including mine) where the two parallel steel lines meet the front manifold. Of the ones i"ve seen, all were leaking at the lower line-manifold joint. There seems to be a weak point there.

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SuperA-Tx

01-17-2007 10:09:40

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Re: Super A hydraulics in reply to Cue P., 01-17-2007 09:33:06

There are two "O" rings there that cause that leak. When I took my tractor apart there I put the rings on some tape where I wouldnt loose them. Of course then I threw the tape away when I was cleaning. Luckly the hardware guy let me have the whole box of "O" rings to bring to the tractor where I could match it up to the grooves.

As far as the leaks go...If there is a gasket, seal, or "O" ring it is going to probly leak and it will start right after you get it painted and put back together. LOL Just my luck

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Mark in Wa

01-17-2007 06:56:55

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Re: Super A hydraulics in reply to ncpatriot65, 01-17-2007 03:08:06

The hydraulics system is quite simple on the Super A. It consists of a pump located on the right below the magneto on the left lower forward end of the block, there is a pair of steel lines that snake their way to the left side of the touch control hydraulic manifold, and the manifold itself. All hydraulic work is done through this manifold. It encompases the 2 cylinders both control valves the pressure relief system and the filter/resevoir. Like others have said if the fluid is disappearing then it can only go into the crankcase through the pump, otherwise leaks will be visible either under the pump or the touch control manifold. The parts kit to overhaul the manifold sells for about $125 through IHC, add in new boots, both the leather ones for the cylinders and the rubber ones for the control valves and you should have good as new manifold. Just remember that dirt is a hydraulic systems worst enemy. It can cause components to fail very quickly. I rebuilt my manifold last year and it took me about 4 hours start to finish. THe I&T manual IH-8 has a decent breakdown of the manifold and is a good investment. Good luck, give me a yell if you have any further questions, Hydraulics is what I do for a living.

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City-Boy McCoy

01-17-2007 05:06:45

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Re: Super A hydraulics in reply to ncpatriot65, 01-17-2007 03:08:06

Check for cracks in engine block - especially behind the carburetor. Repairs there are often hidden with bondo.
Check for cracked housings on tractor, especially final drives.
Check front axle for cracked, welded, repaired uprights as well as a cracked pivot pin tube.
Condition of sheet metal may, or may not, be important to you, but it greatly affects the value of the tractor.
Gear whine is somewhat normal and certainly very common in these models. But, the less the better. Also, any bearing noise (grinding or hissing sound) in the transmission or axles can mean repairs are needed.
Tires can be expensive. Check rims for rust, especially around valve stem holes.
Does the engine emit blue smoke? That is a sign it is using oil. Black smoke is a sign it is running rich and is normally not serious at all.
Is there a lot of loose play in the steering? Anything over 1/4 turn can be annoying as well as an indication repairs are needed.
Any major leaks besides the hydraulic leak you mentioned?
The serial number plate would be under the left side seat upright/support/bracket, on the inside, near the back and bottom - i.e., under the seat. mike

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Nat 2

01-17-2007 04:54:02

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Re: Super A hydraulics in reply to ncpatriot65, 01-17-2007 03:08:06

Hmm... Depends on what he meant when he said he didn't know where the hydraulic leak was.

If the oil is "disappearing" and not dripping on the ground, it's probably running into the crankcase through the drive shaft on the hydraulic pump. You'll need a new pump, and I think the parts store on this site sells them, so you can get a ballpark price on replacement.

Any other leak, he'd see the oil dripping onto the tractor and running off onto the ground. Most any other leak can be fixed with gaskets, seals and orings. I suppose a hydraulic line could be rusted through, though.

Neither of these problems is a real show-stopper, but a pump is a major expense, and would push your $1800 tractor up to about $2200. Unless it runs well, doesn't smoke, isn't beat, doesn't make any weird noises in the transmission, has good tires... Pass on it.

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scotty

01-17-2007 04:48:20

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Re: Super A hydraulics in reply to ncpatriot65, 01-17-2007 03:08:06

The Super A had the Touch Control hydraulics, the biggest issue is to make sure the hydraulics can lift your implements! That would be a test for that unit.If they dont work you will need to rebuild it. If you rebuild the touch control unit your self, you can buy the rebuild kit from your local Case IH dealer for about $100, This kit includes all the gaskets and 0-rings you will need for the unit and the pump on the engine under your magneto. Its not a bad job, just keep everything clean and keep all your parts organized !

scotty

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