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Mike Broome

01-08-2007 13:49:45




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I have a 1947-H and the starter has stop working.I have 6 Volts up to the termanal Post But she won"t turn over, How do I go about checking out how to trouble shooting the starter to find out what it will take to fix it, also if I can"t fine out what is wrong where should I take it to get it fixed or send it. thanks to all for your help. Mike




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shoo_giesty

01-09-2007 04:54:07




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 Re: 6Volt Starter in reply to Mike Broome, 01-08-2007 13:49:45  
do what onefarmer says



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John T

01-08-2007 19:53:43




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 Re: 6Volt Starter in reply to Mike Broome, 01-08-2007 13:49:45  
Mike, My general rule of thumb beginning point is if when you depress the starter switch the lights dim way down badly and/or the battery voltage drops down drastically, the switch is okay but the starter is the problem (BUTTTTT it may JUST be mechanicaaly stuck/jammed, check that first by loosening thE startEr and/or rocking the engine over).

Next anytine the starter fails to crank I always advise you to remove, clean n wire brush, n reattach each n every battery n starter n switch n ground cable connection FIRST. It may just be a bad cable or connection problem!!!!! !

Next, insure the batery is good and have it load checked, even if the starter n switch n cables are alllll l perfect, if thE batetry is weak or bad NO CRANKING.....

Next if the battery n cables are all good n the starters not mechanically stuck/jammed but if you depress the switch the lights dont dim and the battery voltage dont drop, then I suspect possibly its ONLY a bad starter switch ALTHOUGH the starter could be bad like the brushes !!!!! !!!!!

If the switch is a stand alone 2 terminal (like the pedestal mount instead of the saddle type right on the starter) its very easy to use jumper cables to by pass jump around the switch to see if its just a switch problem. You simply jump hot battery voltage direct to the starter post n see if she cranks then to figure if the switch is bad. If the switch is a saddle type direct on the starter, remove it n see if its all burned up n carboned) new swich may fix the problem) and/or the copper starter post is all burned up n pitted (needs new post)

Finallyyyyy yy if its the starter typical causes may be the brushes are worn too low or the bushings are bad and the armature is dragging or the arnmatue is bad or shorted.

let us know what you find

John T

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Tom43

01-08-2007 15:43:45




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 Re: 6Volt Starter in reply to Mike Broome, 01-08-2007 13:49:45  
Assuming you still have the original 6 volt system and that you have 6 volts to the starter post with the starter switch pushed in, your problem is an open circuit. The most likely places to look are the battery and block connections of the ground side battery wire. The next two places to look are the connection between the starter body and the engine block or an open inside the starter (worn brushes, brush springs, or dirty commutator).

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RustyFarmall

01-08-2007 14:44:05




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 Re: 6Volt Starter in reply to Mike Broome, 01-08-2007 13:49:45  
Do what Bob and onefarmer said. The teeth on the starter drive get a bit worn, and the teeth on the ring gear also get a bit worn, and sometimes the two gears just sort of lock together. It is not at all unusual. Probably won't happen again for a very long time.



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JayWalt

01-08-2007 19:34:00




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 Re: 6Volt Starter in reply to RustyFarmall, 01-08-2007 14:44:05  
That happened to mine. Was very scary, I knew the starter was pulling lots of power. I thought the engine tied up. Thanks to u guys, I learned its probly just the starter. I ended up having to idle my truck into it with it in road gear to get it broke loose. Next time I might just pull the starter out and inspect the teeth.



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onefarmer

01-08-2007 14:14:50




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 Re: 6Volt Starter in reply to Mike Broome, 01-08-2007 13:49:45  
First thing I'd do is losen the starter and wiggle it around some. It maybe locked up. This will unlock it.



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Nat 2

01-08-2007 14:06:26




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 Re: 6Volt Starter in reply to Mike Broome, 01-08-2007 13:49:45  
Just because you have Volts at the starter doesn't mean you have Amps at the starter. Had a similar situation with mine... 12V at the starter, but no start. Ran jumper cables from another tractor, and it'd start. Put in a new battery, no start.

You can jump the tractor with 12V if you don't leave it connected for long. Make sure you get + to + and - to -, because Hs are usually + to the frame of the tractor and - to the starter motor (positive ground).

If the tractor starts with the jump, it's either the cables or the battery. Check the cable connections to make sure they are clean, shiney, and TIGHT. Check the cable ends too, if they're the clamp-on replacement type.

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Bob

01-08-2007 13:57:27




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 Re: 6Volt Starter in reply to Mike Broome, 01-08-2007 13:49:45  
Either the starter is defective internally, the manually-operated starter switch is bad, or the starter gear and ring gear are jammed together.

Making SURE the ignition is OFF, you can put the tractor in high gear, and rock it back and forth, noting (by the fan) that the engine rocks back and forth.

If it still won't crank, check the manually-operated starter switch held to the starter with 2 swcrews (IF so equipped.)

If no problems there, the starter will have to come off.

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