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Boys.... I'm thinking Super H, Stage II.

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City-Boy McCoy

01-04-2007 18:43:37

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Howdy, boys: I'm trying to narrow down my "big" letter series tractor selection, which will compliment my Super A's on my "hobby farm". The more I look, listen, observe and drive, the more I am convinced the Super H, Stage II, is the tractor which will suit my needs (and heart) best. It seems from what many of you have stated on this site, the H size tractor is manuverable, fairly easy to trailer, reasonable on gas consumption, and extremely reliable. The Super H seems to have that extra little bit of horsepower that puts it up there close to an "M" without the bulk and heavier steering; not close to a "Super M", but close to an "M". Love those live hydraulics, too. Also, would consider a 300 or 350 as alternates. (But, I love the classic curves of a letter series tractor....)
Second choice would be a Super M with live hyd. Third choice would be a late H with ability to add live hyd - and, hopefully, one with increased power due to increased bore or firecrater pistons, etc. Final choice would be late M with ability to add live hyd.
I have 26 acres to mow on a regular basis, plus occasional plowing. What do you think - am I right or wrong in my choice???? And, I'll say this right now: I am a Farmall letter series man; and I am not a utility tractor man, nor am I much of a number series man (other than the 300/350, previously mentioned). Speak freely. mike

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Dave2N

01-05-2007 11:04:31

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Re: Boys.... I'm thinking Super H, Stage II. in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 01-04-2007 18:43:37

Your post started a great conversation! Anything dealing with the letter series Farmalls gets me all hot and bothered!

Not much I can contribute to what has already been said other than that I have a 53 Super H that has had live hydraulics added to it. My first love is a Farmall M because that's what I grew up on, used it for years. Based on that experience, I think that a good running and "snorty" Super H is pretty close to a straight M but with faster gears.

Not going to tell you what tractor to get but a Stage II Super H is a nice tractor. Just don't go brain dead like I did a few years ago: I had a
chance to buy a 300 with rebuilt engine, rebuilt TA, an International loader and 3x fast hitch plows for $2,200.00. By the time I was over being my usual thoughtful self, it was gone. I consider that to have been one of the biggest mistakes of my tractor-buying life!

Good luck and let us know what you get.

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City-Boy McCoy

01-05-2007 16:58:10

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Re: Boys.... I'm thinking Super H, Stage II. in reply to Dave2N, 01-05-2007 11:04:31

Thanks. You remind me of me. mike

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Dr.EVIL

01-05-2007 08:42:56

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Re: Boys.... I'm thinking Super H, Stage II. in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 01-04-2007 18:43:37

Dad got My Stg. II Super H in the spring of 1968 to replace His old '39 H. He got His '51 M brand new Dec. 23, 1951, and I spent quite a bit of time on the Super M-TA He had from '63 till '66, and the 450 He had after that. For running a sickle mower the Stg II Super H is hands down the best tractor to use of any of them. But for running a bush hog the SM-TA or a 300/350 or preferably 400/450 would be best where the live PTO makes them safer to run. I have both Dad's '51 M with almost ALL the M&W upgrades, 4" Add-Power sleeves & pistons, Add-Power governor, Live hydraulic, and the faster Super M gear set for faster 2nd, 3rd, & 4th gears. And there is NO comparison in power between a Super H and a strong running M/Super M. Actually, Dad's old '39 H would pull most things in the same gear as the Super H because of it's slower speeds in the first four gears, Plus the '39 had smaller 10-38 tires with no fluid so it had WAY more slippage while the Super H had 11-38 or 12.4 X 38 tires with fluid. A good 300/350 or 400/450 rowcrop would be much cheaper than a Stg II Super H or Super M/M-TA and the chances of them appreciating in value more than the letter series is VERY high. They're production numbers were also very low. Even a 460/560 would fit into that category. If You plan on plowing even a fraction of Your 26 acres every year get a bigger tractor. When I pulled Dad's 6 ft BRILLION rotary mower with the Super H I could mow off anything I cared to drive over in 2nd gear, most times I ran in 3rd, and for clipping short stubble and chopping corn stalks I would run in 4th. And I always figured I could cover about 2 acres/hour in 3rd gear allowing for turns & a little overlap between passes.

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CNKS

01-05-2007 13:53:40

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Re: Boys.... I'm thinking Super H, Stage II. in reply to Dr.EVIL, 01-05-2007 08:42:56

Dr Evil--You made a point that I have made several times that nobody seems to notice, in relation to the faster gears. I ran an H for many hours with equipment that was a little small for an H, basically the same equipment my dad used for a B. We had a 6 ft tandem disk that we weighted very heavily and ran it 90% of the time in 3rd. We rarely used the 5 1/8 mph 4th because the H would not quite get up to the loaded rpm. Thus nearly all tillage except plowing was done with the 4 1/4 mph 3rd gear speed. I did not compare it with a Super H, but I am sure the Super H would be fine in the 5 mph third with the same implement but wouldn't even be close in the 6 5/8 fourth. Thus the Super H won't pull a larger implement than the H in 3rd or 4th because the HP increase is canceled by the higher ground speeds but it will pull the same implement faster. The SH will also pull a larger plow, or the same one deeper in 2nd however. But, I imagine an H with increased power (fire craters) may well be the better tractor, because then 4th becomes a tillage gear (at least with a disk), and you still have a slower third for the more challenging soils in a field, and 2nd becomes a better plowing gear. The SH 4th is really a light duty gear. I don't think the SH should be compared to a standard power M, as the M is 1000 lbs heavier, and really has better tillage speeds. So much for all the babble. I am NOT running down the Super H. I have a stage 2, and would not trade it for anything. Now if I had guts enough to change the thing to an HTA---

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City-Boy McCoy

01-05-2007 17:05:25

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Re: Boys.... I'm thinking Super H, Stage II. in reply to CNKS, 01-05-2007 13:53:40

CNKS: So much of what you say makes sense. It almost sounds like, based on what you said, the ideal set-up is an H with a bigger bore (bigger sleeve kit - i.e., "Super H engine") and a live pump added for the hydraulics - due to the more desireable slower gearing in the H. Very interesting and very thought provoking... Thanks, mike

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CNKS

01-05-2007 17:49:12

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Re: Boys.... I'm thinking Super H, Stage II. in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 01-05-2007 17:05:25

The problem, if it is one, was taken care of with the 300 due to the TA. In the 50's on our farm, had we bought a new tractor, the Super H would have been a good choice because it would have allowed us to pull most of our existing implements a gear faster. It would have pulled our plow (2nd gear) better, but the 5 mph 3rd for the plow would not have worked any better than the 4.25 mph 3rd in the H did because the additional power would be at least partially canceled by the higher speed. I would really like to go back 50+ years, compare those two tractors on our old farm with the same implements and see if what I think is really true. In your case, though, you should probably buy the one that is in the best condition, unless you just want one to restore. The Stage 2 Super H is the most desireable from a collector's view.

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City-Boy McCoy

01-05-2007 10:05:33

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Re: Boys.... I'm thinking Super H, Stage II. in reply to Dr.EVIL, 01-05-2007 08:42:56

Great information. Thanks much. mike

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Andrew Z

01-05-2007 06:29:14

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Re: Boys.... I'm thinking Super H, Stage II. in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 01-04-2007 18:43:37

Our Stage II Super H is our "flagship" of our fleet. I like to saw to people when they see it at a show when "O how many of those were made?" And when you say only around 10,000 Stage II Supers where made and then tell them that over 20,000+ Super MTA's were made cause everyone knows about them but not Stage II Super H's they get a real sense of what this tractor is any way sorry for the side note) It steers great and has power to boot. (where not sure if it was rebuilt or not 145psi of compression is what it has also the Rocket Govornor was added and some point in its life) but it will pull our regular H around all day long. My father pulls it and the diffrence between H and Super is WOW. My H pulls in the 4,000 lbs class and I ran out of power @ 10,000 lbs on the boat. While My Dads Super H pulls in the 4,500 lbs class and his Super can pull that @ 1/4 throttle!!! We also take it to a plow day and I wanted to try a 3 bottom behind it but there was none there, anyway we used a 2-14" and it pulled that like there was nothing there, I was playing aroud and really wanted to see what she had and she pulled that plow in 6mph 4th gear! I just wanted to see what she had in her and belive me she does. And with the Live Hydro, it just makes it that much better. Hope you find one they are a great tractor.

Andrew

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City-Boy McCoy

01-05-2007 07:08:10

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Re: Boys.... I'm thinking Super H, Stage II. in reply to Andrew Z , 01-05-2007 06:29:14

Thanks. I am planning to go look at one this weekend. I am hopeful that it will be a decent deal. mike

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CNKS

01-04-2007 20:13:24

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Re: Boys.... I'm thinking Super H, Stage II. in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 01-04-2007 18:43:37

I have a Stage 2 Super H with a narrow front, and an M with a wide front and power steering. With a narrow front, the M is no less manueverable than the H, because the wheelbase of the M is 88.75 inches, the H 88.5 inches. The M is about 1000 lbs heavier depending on how each one is equipped, so the M will be harder to steer; BUT the H steering is not exactly light, particularly when manuevering around at slow speeds. At field speeds both are ok. If you have 26 acres to mow on a regular basis and don't want to spend an immense amount of time doing it, the M will handle a larger mower, or else run the one for the H one gear faster depending on conditions. Remember that 6+ mph 4th gear in both the Super H and M are good for little other than raking hay or pulling a rotary hoe, etc, too fast for plowing, and good for mowing only in very light conditions. A good mowing speed is the 4 and a fraction mph 3rd gear speed of both the regular H and M, provided the weeds/grass are not too tall, otherwise you use 2nd. If you have to use first you will die of old age before you finish. You don't get that 4 mph speed in the Super H or Super M, but 2nd is 3.75, 3rd is 5 mph, nearly a full mph faster than 3rd in the H and M. For a lot of mowing the 300/400 series, or a Super MTA (if you can find one at a reasonable cost) are better for mowing because of the live PTO, which to me is more important than live hydraulics, which really won't have much effect they way you say you will use the tractors. Only my opinion, based on probably 5000 hours on an H in the 50's, and rather minimal time on an M and others since then.

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IlliniJohn

01-04-2007 19:43:02

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Re: Boys.... I'm thinking Super H, Stage II. in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 01-04-2007 18:43:37

I too like the old letter seires - -and have also always wanted a Super H-Stage II with its classic lines, more power than an "H", and better manuverability than an "M" frame.

Though they are seemingly going "colector" grade, a Super MTA with its live power would really fit your 26acres mowing great.

But, so would any of your choices.

I think Mr. Hugh Mackay ran 300 or 350 - -also very nice tractor, just not as classic pretty as the "H" vintage.

Best Wishes & Enjoy Safely!!

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Pat-CT

01-04-2007 19:30:52

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Re: Boys.... I'm thinking Super H, Stage II. in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 01-04-2007 18:43:37

i ahve a stright H im more of a puller kinda guy i ahve seen great things from regualr H's and super H's u couldnt go wrong with ither super reliable my h needs no choke when in mayby 20 degree weather starts right up mayby 5th crank love it

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City-Boy McCoy

01-04-2007 19:33:38

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Re: Boys.... I'm thinking Super H, Stage II. in reply to Pat-CT, 01-04-2007 19:30:52

Thanks. That concurs with my conclusions. I appreciate the input. mike

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Cityboycountryboy

01-04-2007 18:53:59

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Re: Boys.... I'm thinking Super H, Stage II. in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 01-04-2007 18:43:37

I am so d--med confused with you post. just do it. buy a stage 2 super H

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urban boy

01-04-2007 19:31:07

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Re: Boys.... I'm thinking Super H, Stage II. in reply to Cityboycountryboy, 01-04-2007 18:53:59

Why don't you have another drink?

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City-Boy McCoy

01-04-2007 19:07:06

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Re: Boys.... I'm thinking Super H, Stage II. in reply to Cityboycountryboy, 01-04-2007 18:53:59

Thank you so much.

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