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Super A Steering Gear Lube

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SuperA-Tx

12-28-2006 11:13:17




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1948 Super A -

On the steering gear housing according to the operators manual there should be a vent plug (Illust 25D, page 25). I have also seen in the Parts Catalog that there was just a plug there, like a pipe plug (its optional I think). Mine has a pipe plug but I dont see any vent anywhere. I can stick a knife blade up inside the plug a ways but it dont appear to have a vent hole there.


When I undid that plug it looked like greese in there and not oil. The plug is right beside a grease fitting so is it suppose to be oil in there or greese?

One other comment - Whose bright idea was it to put a filler hole on the side like that for the Steering Gear Housing oil?

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Bob

12-28-2006 15:54:54




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 Re: Super A Steering Gear Lube in reply to SuperA-Tx, 12-28-2006 11:13:17  
If the seals are not the best, and you don't want to replace them at the moment, use CORNHEAD GREASE. It's GREAT for steering gears.

I flows a bit, to lube better than thicker grease, get doesn't drip as quickly out of leaky seals as oil does.

I pick it up at the DEERE dealer, but I would think CNH must have something similar.



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City-Boy McCoy

12-28-2006 12:03:04




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 Re: Super A Steering Gear Lube in reply to SuperA-Tx, 12-28-2006 11:13:17  
I would agree with what Mark said in his answer to your question but would add a little more... The top plug to my steering gear box is vented through a tiny hole in the side, right about the top of the pipe threads. I did not see it at first because it was hidden by dirt, paint and grease. Also, I encourage you to use Cornhead grease, available from most tractor dealerships. Unlike many other greases which can be "stiff" and waxey, Cornhead grease is a very "wet" grease and will lube the steering gears well without allowing an air pocket to form between the teeth, which would not allow sufficient lubrication. Cornhead grease also maintains a very constant viscosity throughout normal temperature ranges. It is not expensive and comes in grease-gun tubes. It won't leak anymore than any other grease. I have had excellent results using it.
mike

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Mark

12-28-2006 11:25:59




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 Re: Super A Steering Gear Lube in reply to SuperA-Tx, 12-28-2006 11:13:17  
Well, my experience is limited to two Super A's and that doesn't mean much. BUT, on the one I have and the other I owned, there is a filler plug on TOP and a drain plug down on the side.

None other than Mr. Hugh MacKay...who seems to have more practical experience with these machines than any other poster here...advised me to fill my leaking steering housing with grease...and I did! Works great too! Apparently somebody has already remedied your leak in a very practical manner. Oh, put the grease fitting in the drain hole..leave the filler plug open while pumping in grease to allow air to escape.

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SuperA-Tx

12-28-2006 13:05:47




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 Re: Super A Steering Gear Lube in reply to Mark , 12-28-2006 11:25:59  
According to the manual the filler hole is on the side. OK so if I understand then there are acually three "oil" holes for steering housing; the one on top with the air hole, the one for filling, and then the one for draining.

While I was waiting for the replies I filled it with oil then drove it down the street about three blocks and when I got back there was a stream of oil running out. I will drain that out and put that greese fitting in like yall say. I dont need any more oil leaks! Plus I am going to look closer for that air hole. Ill get a needle and jab around and see if I can find it.

Mark, The parts cat. shows two kinds of pulleys on page 29. It also lists two or three optional ones on pages 30 and 31. Copy and paste the url below and see if that helps you any.

http://www.cleancomputes.com/Cub/Super%20A%20-%20Super%20AV/TC-39B%20Parts%20Catalog/index.html

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NDSW

12-28-2006 15:50:06




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 Re: Super A Steering Gear Lube in reply to SuperA-Tx, 12-28-2006 13:05:47  
Gear lube is best if it will stay in, have been running grease in my A for over 40 years though and it is still doing fine. A was used for cutting 2 acre lawn for about 25 years and then to bush hog 5 acres twice a year for 10 years and now is used to spray a few hours a year.



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gene bender

12-28-2006 14:28:45




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 Re: Super A Steering Gear Lube in reply to SuperA-Tx, 12-28-2006 13:05:47  
I have rebuilt several the grease fitting is for the top bearing and the vented plug is for filling with 90wt. The top bearing being on top wont get any of the gear lube. I will guarntee if you replace the seals and bushings and fill with 90wt you will have no leaks. Its hard to get grease into a bushing and the worm and gear will be better with 90wt than grease. Why did they build them that way if the 90wt wasnt needed.

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Super A

12-29-2006 05:54:38




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 Re: Super A Steering Gear Lube in reply to gene bender, 12-28-2006 14:28:45  
I did a complete overhaul on mine, new sector gear, shaft, bearings, and seals, and the thing still leaked. Corn head grease is teh way to go!

Al



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SuperA-Tx

12-28-2006 15:33:30




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 Re: Super A Steering Gear Lube in reply to gene bender, 12-28-2006 14:28:45  
Gene,

I am going to try it with the gear oil first but if that dont work I am going to use the grease I think. I have replaced seals and gaskets until I am blue in the face.

I did find the breather hole in the plug. I had sand blasted that thing and painted it and looked for that hole two times. The hole and down in the plug was full of dirt, guess it had been there for forty years or more.

When I started draining the fluid out of the steering box first there was what looked like water then thick oil (like baby poop), then gummy clumps of gook. I am going to put the plugs back in and fill it with 30wt oil than drain it again just to get some of the old stuff out. I'll fill it again with the gear oil after that and see if it leaks.

I went to the old IH place and the guy there said they use to fill it with grease then top it off with gear oil.

I called a few places here but cant find that Cornhead Grease. The Case dealer had heard of it but didnt know where to find it either.

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City-Boy McCoy

12-28-2006 16:00:08




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 Re: Super A Steering Gear Lube in reply to SuperA-Tx, 12-28-2006 15:33:30  
Every John Deere dealership I have ever been in carries it; about 50% of the Case IH dealerships I've seen carry it. mike



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City-Boy McCoy

12-28-2006 15:17:55




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 Re: Super A Steering Gear Lube in reply to gene bender, 12-28-2006 14:28:45  
Well, Gene, you are exactly right. I think what we are doing with the grease is making the best of a bad situation until we get to a place where we can rebuild ours. Meanwhile, some grease is better than no gear oil.....
mike



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Mark

12-28-2006 16:16:02




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 Re: Super A Steering Gear Lube in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-28-2006 15:17:55  
Hehe.....both the Super A's I bought had NO oil in the steering housing. Wonder why? Well, I'll be dadburned..after 30-40 years the seals went south and the previous owners said to hades with it. Then I come along...I look at that mess and think am I going to work half the day to put a seal in that old clunk? I didn't roll off the turnip wagon just yesterday. I asked for advice and was told the fix....and if somebody else has done it for the last 40 years and the steering gears haven't worn out....duh!, it must work! Now anybody can sit on their posterior and read the manual and preach to the choir as to what the gods at Farmall proclaimed and did on the day of creation. But this ain't then and grease is better than nothing..in fact it serves the purpose well.

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City-Boy McCoy

12-28-2006 14:19:58




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 Re: Super A Steering Gear Lube in reply to SuperA-Tx, 12-28-2006 13:05:47  
With oil, the middle hole was a "fill to level" hole (full mark). Using grease, it is irrelevent. Just fill from the bottom until it just about comes out the top hole. mike



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