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Paul Shuler

12-21-2006 22:26:06




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At this time I am having a new trailer made for me. It is bumper pull with two #5000 lb. axles. I have always used 2" trailer ball on my receiver hitch but this new one requires a 2 5/16" ball. This got me looking at the ratings on some of this stuff. Most of the slide in receivers I found are rated from 6000# to 7000# lb.s with 600# lb.s tonque wieght. This made me go out and look at the hitch up under the truck. It says 5000# lb.s hitch weight or 8000# with load leveling hitch. Ok here comes the question, the weight of a Farmall H plus the weight of the trailer is pushing up pretty close to that 6000# lb.s mark. Have I got way to little hitch on my 1/2 ton 4X4 truck or I guess another way to put my question is this. Dose 6000# lb.s dead weight translate to 6000# lb.s of draw weight. Or for that matter stopping weight. All opinions welcomed.
Paul

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Marty Johns

12-22-2006 19:18:59




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to Paul Shuler, 12-21-2006 22:26:06  
A hitch is a hitch and and trk is a trk!!!!! !!! only pull what the trk is rated for!!!! if you are rated to pull 5,000 lbs with it,a 10,000 just hitch, does'nt work!



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Randy as in Randy-IA

12-22-2006 16:12:58




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to Paul Shuler, 12-21-2006 22:26:06  
I know people " get away " with pulling unsafe loads all the time . I have many times also . If you want to do it right do more research especially on the GCWR ( gross combined weight rating ) of the pickup in question . Then you have to factor in the load that's PROBABLY going to go with you in the cab and box of the truck , you know a couple of adults and a toolbox along with a cooler of cold beverages will add maybe 400 to 500 lbs to the load . Every ounce of weight in the pickup and on the trailer has to be stopped sooner or later , hopefully sooner . You have to look forward to worst case scenarios not " can I get away with it " . Take care . ...Randy

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Doc Larry

12-22-2006 14:41:22




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to Paul Shuler, 12-21-2006 22:26:06  
Paul,

Everyone seems to have an opinion on this. I bent both axles on a 7000 lb trailer pulling 8000 pounds (a Case 401, 6200 lb plus 1500 lb trailer) last summer thinking I could get away with it. Well so much for over-engineering. Sure, pickups ARE over-engineered, but most of the trailers I've been around ARE NOT! If you're having a 10,000 pound trailer built, don't screw around, get a 10,000 pound equalizer hitch, relax, and have a safe trip....Is the 5,000 lb factory hitch adequate? Take a look at yours, then go look at a 10,000 lb hitch and use your own judgement. I was so impressed with my factory hitch that I gave it away.

You'll probably end up with a heavier tractor at some point, anyway.....so why not be set up for 10,000?

I'm sorry, I'm going to have to preach a bit here. I was a professional driver for many years. I've had a lot of close calls. Driving is the most dangerous thing most of us will ever do. Cutting corners on your equipment setup is nothing less than Russian Roulette...

...sorry if I've offended anyone.

Larry

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Karl Hamson

12-22-2006 14:37:44




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to Paul Shuler, 12-21-2006 22:26:06  
I have a Dodge ram 1500 with 4.7L engine and automatic transmission. I recently bought a new 14,000lb trailer. I only wanted 10,000 but the 14,000 was ready to go and I was in a hurry. The truck has the factory tow package. I have not hauled a tractor with it but have hauled pickups and use it when haying. 140 square bales at 50 lbs each is 7,000 lb. No problems at all. The new brake controllers are great.

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Brian in MO

12-22-2006 12:00:53




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to Paul Shuler, 12-21-2006 22:26:06  
Paul my opinion of this is that your truck and hitch are probably never going to cause you any trouble. The thing is where do you stop? I mean the trailor is rated for 10,000 lbs but the gvw for your truck since it a half ton is way less than the trailor alone can handle, if you start looking at all those numbers and figureing it out "legally" you would probably need a ton truck and a gooseneck trailor just to pull a h. The hitches are way overbuilt as someone below stated and if you weigh your truck ,new trailor, and tractor I'll bet your over the gvw of your truck already. Not saying a heavier hitch wouldn't be nice, and I would at least upgrade the part the ball bolts to, but I'm not sure it's any more nessecary than a heavier truck. I doubt your going to be hauling stuff very far most of the time and just be extra careful when you are hauling and you'll be fine. The only time there is ever a problem is when lawers get involved. By the way the company I work for has dodge 1-ton deisels we pull 25' goosenecks 20,000 lbs rating with JD 310 backhoes that weigh in at 18,000lbs all together the whole thing (truck,trailor, and backhoe) weighs 36,000lbs the gvw for the truck is about 12,000lbs they handle fine, & pull good but if there is ever a wreck and the d.o.t. is involved I hope I am not involved. Just my 2 cents Brian

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NDS

12-22-2006 15:19:54




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to Brian in MO, 12-22-2006 12:00:53  
GVWR is maximum weight truck is rated to haul without trailer the GCWR is the weight truck is rated to haul with trailer. GCWR can be as much as 3X GVWR.



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Brian in MO

12-22-2006 15:50:30




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to NDS, 12-22-2006 15:19:54  
NDS You are right and I should have said GCVWR but my point is still the same a half ton truck is on the light side for pulling a tractor on a trailor. I was getting at the fact the we all have to get by with what we have even if it is lighter than we would like.



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Brian in NY

12-22-2006 11:04:28




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to Paul Shuler, 12-21-2006 22:26:06  
Paul,

I think you will be fine with your hitch and a weight distributing system. Make sure that your ball and the ball mount are both as heavy as you can get. Trailer hitches if properly made are an over-engineered kind of thing. They might have 5k stamped on them, but that is a pessimistic figure. They will really stand up to a whole lot more.

For example one time I had myself in a real tight spot and had to pull a 6000+lb travel trailer with a full size Chevy Blazer that had a rusted up old class three hitch on it.

That hitch held up like a trooper not only for that job but several other heavy jobs as the years passed.

I think the set up you have with minor tweaks will work just fine.

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old

12-22-2006 09:06:04




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to Paul Shuler, 12-21-2006 22:26:06  
Not going to say any thing about the trailor hitch but just for your info. I use what is called a uniball on my truck, it has a pin you pop out and lets you use the 1-7/8, 2 and 2-5/16 ball and you never change the bolt on part just pop a pin and drop on a differant ball. Works well and I have used if on my 1/2 ton and also my road tractor which is a 10 wheel truck/semi

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Nat 2

12-22-2006 07:38:16




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to Paul Shuler, 12-21-2006 22:26:06  
Tractor Supply has heavier drawbars, up to 12,500lb rated as I recall.

You should probably replace the receiver on your truck with something heavier, even if you use a weight distributing hitch. An H will be close to 4000lbs dry. Any weights, calcium chloride solution in the tires, implements or attachments will add to that weight. The trailer will be 2500-3000lbs on its own. Most likely you will be OVER the 5000lb limit of your trailer and the 6000lb limit of your ball and drawbar.

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CNKS

12-22-2006 09:41:19




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to Nat 2, 12-22-2006 07:38:16  
TWO 5000 lb axles, the limiting factors are the hitch and weight of the tractor/trailer combination. I once pulled a Super H 300+ miles at about 4300 lbs tractor weight and a 10000 GVW or so trailer that weighed 3000 lbs with a GMC half ton with a 350 engine. I'm not ever going to try that again.



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CNKS

12-22-2006 06:39:33




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to Paul Shuler, 12-21-2006 22:26:06  
I am a little surprised with the 8000 lb weight with the equalizer. My factory hitch on my 2005 GMC is rated at only 5000 lbs, but 11000 lbs with an equalizing hitch, which I have. The 11000 lbs is far more than the truck itself will pull. The 8000 lbs you have is adequate for an H, but with 5000 lb trailer axles the trailer weight combined with the tractor weight is going to be more than your half ton (I believe that's what you said you had earlier) "likes". Any more than that and you need at the minimum a higher rated hitch or a 3/4 ton HD pickup. Without knowing the exact weights of your H and the trailer, I believe you are already over the 6000 lb mark. My Super H and 7000 lb GVW trailer weigh about 6400 lbs combined and my trailer is lighter than yours.

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CNKS

12-22-2006 06:41:54




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to CNKS, 12-22-2006 06:39:33  
The "draw weight" and "dead weight" for your purposes are the same thing.



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Doc Larry

12-22-2006 06:04:56




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to Paul Shuler, 12-21-2006 22:26:06  
Paul,

Sounds like you have a factory hitch. You want too much capacity, not too little. Get a 10000# hitch, get an equalizer, a 10000# slide tube, brakes on both axles, and balance your load to get a reasonable tongue weight when you load up. Most trailer sway is from having the weight too far forward or too far back on the trailer.

I don't know what an H weighs but your trailer empty weight will be around 2000# or more.

Larry

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GordoSD

12-22-2006 06:02:36




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to Paul Shuler, 12-21-2006 22:26:06  
If you are using a 1/2 ton truck, you definitely need a torsion bar hitch. And you will need to install a set of those Monroe overload shocks, the kind with the external springs on them.

Gordo



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jwal10

12-22-2006 05:58:55




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to Paul Shuler, 12-21-2006 22:26:06  
I agree with TSH ,do all of his suggestions. I would also use the load leveling bars with the 1/2 ton pickup. it will keep the truck much more level. They really help with sway, much more stable.A little more trouble hooking up but worth it with half ton.



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TSH

12-22-2006 04:37:20




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to Paul Shuler, 12-21-2006 22:26:06  
I would get at least a classIV trailer hitch and make sure the trailer you are having made has brakes on at least one of the axles; 2 brakes. Get yourself a brake controller and follow the directions to get it set correctly. You do NOT want to tow that kind of weight without trailer brakes.



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Paul Shuler

12-22-2006 08:42:35




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to TSH, 12-22-2006 04:37:20  
The trailer does have brakes on both axels and I do have an electronic brake controler. I will look into getting an upgraded hitch for the truck. I guess I was a little surprised to find mine was so light. When I bought it years ago I remember I told the place I wanted a heavy duty hitch and he told me it would pull anything the truck would. I see people everyday pulling bass boats that might get close to 5000# lb.s. I bet there are a lot of guys out there like me that just hook up and go and never even know they are maxxing out there rig. Thanks for all the info guys.
Paul

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MikeinKy

12-22-2006 06:50:33




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to TSH, 12-22-2006 04:37:20  
I have a 2000, F150, with a factory receiver hitch, and a 10,000 trailer. With my H on there, the truck handles it fine. I have even had my 9000# bobcat on it, but it's to much for the truck. The factory hitch will handle as much as the truck will.



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HENRY E NC

12-22-2006 10:01:03




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 Re: Need trailer hitch advice schooling in reply to MikeinKy, 12-22-2006 06:50:33  
For three years I pulled an 8800 lb travel trailer with a load leveler hitch ( some 35000 miles) behind a ford with a 351 ci and had no problems ecpt trransmission in truck giving out at 87000 miles. Any how. I now pull a 51 M on a trailer with 2 3500 Lb axles, 2 inch ball rated for 6000lbs traiooler weight 1400lbs . behind same truck. I also changed the rear end to a 4.11 and added helper spings total of 160$.. Works great. You can overdo everything

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