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H fanatic

12-18-2006 17:21:50




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Hey guys here's a question(s) for you, I have a 46' Farmall H as most of you probably know by now, and I was wondering what would it take to get it to run on ethanol? (I've tested it) I know it will run on it but what do I need to do to make it for a long period of time? since I've heard it will eat away at any rubber. The only rubber in my fuel system it the tip on the float valve. And lastly where is the best and cheapest place to get piston rings for a stock 3 3/8 bore?
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Nick

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gene bender

12-19-2006 01:24:50




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 Re: Ethanol? in reply to H fanatic, 12-18-2006 17:21:50  
Do you mean the 10% blend?



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Janicholson

12-18-2006 19:16:51




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 Re: Ethanol? in reply to H fanatic, 12-18-2006 17:21:50  
There are two issues. The first is do you mean E85, or pure Grain Alcohol. E85 is easiest, Larger jets in the carb (~20-30% bigger), and a new all brass needle in the float. More compression is way needed to afford some power and efficiency, as much as you can get into the engine is probably still not enough compression (they were not designed with a small combustion chamber, and it is hard to reduce it by 30% from even the gasoline version.

To the Pure take the above and add a mechanism for starting on gasoline and switching to alc. (alcohol will not vaporize or combust well at 32 degrees, let alone below freezing). A manifold carb preheat stove system will also help keep it running in cold weather.
Remember, all the worlds best are trying to do this as we speak, and it is not happening.
E85 yes, pure not yet. JimN

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Nat 2

12-18-2006 20:06:52




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 Re: Ethanol? in reply to Janicholson, 12-18-2006 19:16:51  
JimN, a lot of that sounds just like the mechanisms that these old letter-series Farmalls had to run on alternative fuels back in the "40s, such as kerosene and petroleum distillate.

Kerosene and/or "All-Fuel" tractors had a separate starting tank so the tractor could start up on gasoline. There were shutters on the radiator to help warm the tractor up on the less-energetic fuels. The carbs had bigger jets. There was a heat shroud on the exhaust manifold to help warm the carburetor.

Problem is, all these features are now tough to find because most were removed when refiners figured out how to make more money off the petroleum distillates, and kerosone fell out of favor as a main tractor fuel. If you could find an original All-Fuel H or M with all the gadgets, you could probably make it run on moonshine.

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Janicholson

12-19-2006 17:40:01




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 Re: Ethanol? in reply to Nat 2, 12-18-2006 20:06:52  
You are absolutely correct, the difference is the need for compression. The effective anti-knock properties of ethenol (in the area of 115-118 equivalent in octaine) allow compression in the teens easily. JimN



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