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best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto

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dx29

12-14-2006 06:27:16




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I'm looking for a IHC tractor built in the late 60's to 70's with 540 pto and over 100+ hp. What is the best model (duabilty, ease of repair, etc.)What can I expect in price for a tractor in good shape?




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dx29

12-15-2006 06:27:00




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to dx29, 12-14-2006 06:27:16  
Thanks for all of the repsones. I have 540 equipment already but I want a bigger tractor than the 4020 I had. I didn't eant to have to go to a 1000 rpm bush hog. I guess all of the tractors in this size are turbo charged - were these ever a problem? Are they likely to have been changed out during an overhaul or due they just lst forever on these tractors?



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P Backus

12-15-2006 12:03:12




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to dx29, 12-15-2006 06:27:00  
The 4020 is close to 100 HP itself, so if you want more, make sure what you"re looking at has more. An 806/856 is going to be about the same HP, although they don"t have turbos on stock ones, unless it"s been added. The 966/986 doesn"t have a turbo either, just more CID (436 CID). Anything else will have a turbo. Turbos don"t usually give much trouble, if you let them cool down after use. However, anything that moves can break. They aren"t usually changed during an engine rebuild since it"s easily changed anytime, and won"t destroy the engine if it goes out, like, say, an oil pump. a rebuilt turbo would probably run $400 to $600, I think.
I have seen 200 HP tractors with 540 PTO on them, but like the guys said- you have to use your head or it will twist something off. It just depends on what you want.
Paul

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John A.

12-14-2006 12:17:56




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to dx29, 12-14-2006 06:27:16  
dx29, I am a Big Red IH guy from way back. I "Ditto" the others on a 966, 856, 826, A 966 will fill the bill on 100+ horses, Will turn a 15 ft batwing shredder quite nicely. At least mine can twist the gearboxes out of it. They are fairly econimical to run too. These tractors only real drawback is when you are in an idleing situations, ie... like very light loader work, @ 1500 rpm or so for long extented times the engine will go to "Slobbering" oil out of the exhaust. Nothing really hurt, just put a good load on it for 30 minutes to 1 hour and it will stop. Mine only does it after extented idleing time.
here in the last year or two I have had the oppertunity to run a JD 4230 it had good power for faarming, a 15 ft batwing annd the like. I cam recomend it too
My 966, bought used in 92 gave $6250 for it + $2000 for an IH 2350 loader. The only work I have have done to it, was Clutch, PP,throwout bearing, a rebuilt TA and some seal work 5 yr ago, cost $3200. + one set of rear tires, and 2 sets of front airplains tires. That is cost and work to date.
The 4230 was bought, painted, a Koyker 565 loader added, and delivered from Amarillo Texas for $15000. Have changes out the rear tires with new, and put airplanes on the front.
This tractor had a tranny problem when we got it. just hard sifting, and not stayinng in 5th. We sent to shop to correct this problem and add a 3rd remote outlet cost $3300. So that is cost and work to date on it. Both have their +s and -s , so either would work for you! Hope this helps.
Later,
John A.

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GordoSD

12-14-2006 10:46:15




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to dx29, 12-14-2006 06:27:16  
I bought my 966 4 years ago, new rubber, Dual Loader. 4400 original hours. It uses about 2.5 gals per hour. Paid 7000 for it and wouldn't sell it today for 10k.



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Allan In NE

12-14-2006 11:05:33




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to GordoSD, 12-14-2006 10:46:15  
A mouthful for sure!

Pretty darned economical horsepower ain't they? :>)

Kinda rough on the ears, but hey! Ya can't have everything I guess.

Allan



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gordoSD

12-14-2006 16:50:52




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to Allan In NE, 12-14-2006 11:05:33  
I don't even crank it without my earmuffs on!

GW



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Jason In IL

12-14-2006 10:17:24




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to dx29, 12-14-2006 06:27:16  
I have had a 966 and currently have a 826 with the 358 german diesel. It dynos out at 116 hp at rated speed. This tractor has a lot more grunt to it than a 966 ever thought of having. Runs a lot smoother too. I use it to run a woods 3180 batwing mower, plus I haul wagons to the elevator with plus some odds and ends. They are a very nice tractor to run in my opinion.



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Hugh MacKay

12-14-2006 09:02:46




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to dx29, 12-14-2006 06:27:16  
dx29: Personally I like 56 series tractors for one good reason. They were bought and paid for new by farmers before the down turn in the Agri. economy in the early 80s. Thus they were owned by farmers much better healed finincally throughout the down turn.

Around these parts I've not seen a decent 66 or 86 series tractor in some time either at a dealer or in a farmer's yard. At a big scrap yard not far from here I see any number of 66 and 86 grills in the pile, however very few 06 or 56. This area is dotted with farms still using 56 series tractors bought new by the current owner. These guy are starting to retire or worse, and there are some damn nice 56 series tractors out there. Now, that may differ in other areas.

I also question the wisdom of trying to put 100+ hp through 540 PTO. Dual PTO was not put there for big hp requirments, but rather to run haybines, balers, sprayers, etc. currently on the farm back in 1965+. I remember hooking my NH 770 forage harvester (540) to a new 1066 in 1975. You could hear that harvester slow down without affecting tractor rpm.

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Allan In NE

12-14-2006 08:17:37




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to dx29, 12-14-2006 06:27:16  
The trouble with the 856, 966 and 986 is that they don't meet your power requirements.

Gotta remember that the ratings are more or less listed to sell tractors. These models will barely get you out of the 80 horse range down at the drawbar where it counts.

Allan



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RustyFarmall

12-14-2006 08:41:04




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to Allan In NE, 12-14-2006 08:17:37  
The factory rating for the 856 was something like 95, most of them would put out closer to 110 or they didn't leave the factory.



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dhermesc

12-14-2006 07:43:14




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to dx29, 12-14-2006 06:27:16  
The "best" for the hp range depends on what you need. The 856-866-886 are extremely good tractors, but I'd put it on the lighter side of 100 hp, especially if you're going to use it for lots of hard pulling tillage jobs. If that's your plan I agree with Allen, move up to a 966-986 or a 1066-1086.

The biggest problem with a 1066 or 1086 is that most (at least in my area) have been turned up to match the 1466-1486 and have been worked to death.

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billde

12-14-2006 07:32:13




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to dx29, 12-14-2006 06:27:16  
The 806 856 can be set at 120hp with no ill effects whatsoever. Never noticed any difference in cold weather starting and very little difference in fuel economy. If you need more than that go with a 966.



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the tractor vet

12-14-2006 07:16:43




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to dx29, 12-14-2006 06:27:16  
Well for your Spec's then it comes down to 856, 966.for the 100 pony bracket Now as for the One statement that they will not handel a 100 hp. thru the PTO someone is full of SHUTT . Lets see here my 806 is tweede up over 110 hp and we work the snot out of it baggen silage everyear plus grinding feed and either of those two jobs will at times bring her to her knees .Now the worste thing i can except is that one of these days that i will have to put a pto clutch pack in her or about the time that she will need a new clutch i figgure that the PTO input will need to be replaced . So do not worry about the PTO not being able to take it as it is the same PTO that is in a 706 all the way on up to the 86 seires and will take H.P.well over 250 .

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Roger in Iowa

12-14-2006 07:52:43




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to the tractor vet, 12-14-2006 07:16:43  
Bagging silage or grinding feed is with the pto shaft in pretty much a straight line. If you're turning corners with a load then the pto will not take 100+ very long on 540.

Cutting silage on straight rows can get by, but sharp contours will again give them fits. The thrust and torque loads on the pto shaft will soon do it in.

The ASAE standards are for a reason. But worst case scenarios.

Roger in Iowa

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dhermesc

12-14-2006 07:33:04




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to the tractor vet, 12-14-2006 07:16:43  
Agreed on the PTO statement. The only time I've seen the PTO become an issue isn't so much the power from the tractor, but the heavy out of balance (bent?) shaft on the impliment. I too have seen some feed grinders (especially with ear corn or hay) and silage cutters test the HP ratings of 1466 and 1486 tractors and the weak point wasn't the PTO.

Where the PTO fails is when somebody hooks a big shredder up to tractor that has a a bent shaft then wonders why it snapped while turning under load.

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Roger in Iowa

12-14-2006 06:55:54




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to dx29, 12-14-2006 06:27:16  
Don't figure on putting the 100 Hp thru the PTO. Definitely not over 100! They won't take it for long. 75 to 80 continuously is the max recommended for 540.

Roger in Iowa



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Allan In NE

12-14-2006 06:52:34




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to dx29, 12-14-2006 06:27:16  
Any of the 10s really.

All of 'em are pretty much the same tractor; the 86 series are the easiest to work on although that thing will just about beat ya to death in the way that they ride as compaired to the older ones.

A good tractor will run you from $10K and up depending on which model you choose.

Allan



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Scott in Wi

12-14-2006 06:42:50




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 Re: best 100+hp tractor with 540 pto in reply to dx29, 12-14-2006 06:27:16  
For an IH tractor of that vintage in the 100 hp class you would be looking at either an 806 or 856. The 806 I belive was slightly less than 100 hp tough. These tractors I have see for as little as $4,000 to $8,000. If you consider these tractors make sure you get a dessel because the gas tractors of this size are very thirsty.



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