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Kind Of An IH Question......................

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Capt. Minx

12-09-2006 20:01:29




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Here is my question. I have not gotten any responses on the Massey Board (other than massey 44, which I thank very nuch for his help!). I have just brought home my new toy, a MH 22. This tractor will be my "winter tractor", mostly being used in temps below freezing. The tranny and rear end fluids need to be changed. I have alot of Hy-Tran fluid on hand, so my question is; Can I use HY-Tran in the tranny and rear end? Like I said, this tractor will be used in below freezing temps and probably less than 10 hours per year put on it.Thank you for any help!

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Stuart

12-13-2006 11:04:55




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 Re: Kind Of An IH Question...................... in reply to Capt. Minx, 12-09-2006 20:01:29  
Any farmall without a TA or combined rearend/hydraulic reservoir is suppose to have 80/90w in it. A SMTA on up is suppose to have hy tran which is the same as Donax TD fluid by shell.



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Clarkbug

12-09-2006 21:18:34




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 Re: Kind Of An IH Question...................... in reply to Capt. Minx, 12-09-2006 20:01:29  
I can throw a wrench into the mix here...

Im not sure how the whole Massey-Harris-Ferguson lineage works, so anyone else please chime in if Im incorrect in anything I say from here on out. I wont be offend, and I would be much obliged to learn something new.

We have a MF 35 deluxe, and it needed some flud for the rear end/tranny. Apparently thats the same reservoir that feeds the 3pt hitch system. My uncle filled with with UTF or hydraulic oil or something along those lines, and it definitely was not a good idea. The tractor didnt want to shift, and the 3 pt hitch just kept bobbing up and down, unless you had it all the way down.

To fix, we had to use Perm-A-Tran 3 or something like that. Once that was put in there, things worked great.

I honestly have no idea if this applies to your machine, or even if the Perm-A-Tran is equivalent to Hy-Tran. I just wanted to throw it out there so that maybe someone smarter than me can let both of us know.

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Nat 2

12-10-2006 08:29:05




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 Re: Kind Of An IH Question...................... in reply to Clarkbug, 12-09-2006 21:18:34  
It's pretty common to use the transmission/differential housings as a hydraulic reservoir. In those cases, you want to use whatever HYDRAULIC fluid is recommended by the manufacturer.

On tractors that either don't have hydraulics, or have a completely separate reservoir, GEAR LUBE is generally the recommended fluid for the tranny/diff.

Sounds like your uncle put gear lube in the MF35 and it was too thick for the hydraulics.

How much difference is there between MF's Permatran and IH's Hytran? Probably not much other than a few additives.

The point is that using the exact right oil isn't as critical as some "oil snobs" would lead you to believe. Viscosity is the most important factor, and additives are sometimes important, but your tractor isn't going to collapse on a pile just because you didn't use the exact right oil.

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Clarkbug

12-10-2006 10:43:24




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 Re: Kind Of An IH Question...................... in reply to Nat 2, 12-10-2006 08:29:05  
Hey there.

Im pretty sure he actually did use a hydraulic fluid when he filled things back up. I know we have an add-on valve that bolts to the trans. cover that give you hyraulic remote. It uses the 3 pt. pump to run an external cylinder. So my guess is that he wouldnt use gear lube in there, but then again crazier things have happened...

Hydraulic fluids are all supposed to be similar viscosies, correct?

And I didnt know if Permatran was just a factory name, or if it was actually a different type of oil.

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Bob

12-09-2006 20:36:50




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 Re: Kind Of An IH Question...................... in reply to Capt. Minx, 12-09-2006 20:01:29  
Outside of being more apt to leak past old seals, I can't see what it could POSSIBLY hurt, for cold weather use, especially for a low HP tractor used only occasionally.

If it can adequately lube the gears in a 200 HP tractor, you'd certainly think it could do the job in an 18 (Drawbar) HP tractor!



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Dave S.

12-09-2006 20:32:51




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 Re: Kind Of An IH Question...................... in reply to Capt. Minx, 12-09-2006 20:01:29  
Had hy-tran in a H transmission & rearend for 15 years and never had any problems. It was only used to blade snow, mow roadsides, run pto auger and pull trailers once in a while. I don.t know if it would take hard field work such as pulling a disc or plow.
Before putting in hy-tran I installed 2 seals on all the shafts insted of one to keep it from leaking (this may not have been necessary). It works well in the winter, makes for easier shifting and takes lots less power.
Dave

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