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Den T

12-09-2006 04:40:54




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Just puttin the finishing touches on this old M restore.
How about the oil in the hydraulic pump? Some where I read not to use hydraulic oil but to use SAE 30 Non Detergent oil. This came from the Lift All service manual that someone had.
Also, what about the Char Lyn power steering pump?
One dealer I talked to said power steer fluid. Another said hydraulic fluid. Yet another person said auto tranny fluid. See where I'm comin from.
I have some old oil in a fish fryer, maybe I can use it! Any help will be appreciated. Thanks

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klf

12-09-2006 10:34:36




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 Re: M Another oil question in reply to Den T, 12-09-2006 04:40:54  
I use Hy-Tran in our H belly pump. As far as the hydraulic oil goes, it is the same as 30 non-detergent.



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No tools

12-09-2006 08:24:26




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 Re: M Another oil question in reply to Den T, 12-09-2006 04:40:54  
Den T
As you said Another oil Question.
Go with what allan just discribed.
Where i work we have two oils--SAE 10 goes in ever thing below 30 degrees.I mean ever thing????
SAE 30 goes in ever thing above 30 degrees.
Same as above i mean ever thing.NO ACCEPTIONS.

BILL



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Allan In NE

12-09-2006 05:57:22




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 Re: M Another oil question in reply to Den T, 12-09-2006 04:40:54  
Den,

Back when these tractors were built and sold, there was no such thing as "hydraulic" oil. We had 10, 20, 30, 80/90 gear lube and bought grease in 5-gallon buckets.

10 weight was considered the norm for winter use and 20 or 30 for summer in both engines and hydraulic applications.

Then, the marketing boys came along and saw that they could make another buck by developing all these "special" oils and lubes.

I still only buy two oils. A drum of the lighter hydraulic oil and a drum of engine oil and use both in everything from the lawn mower to the hoists on my truck.

The iron doesn't care or complain. It is inert and has absolutely no preference. :>)

Allan

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El Toro

12-09-2006 06:34:23




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 Re: M Another oil question in reply to Allan In NE, 12-09-2006 05:57:22  
Hi Allan, We have some of your winter weather here this morning. It's down to 14 degrees, but it's supposed to warm up into the 40's.

The military used 10wt oil for hydraulic oil for years. The M88 and the M578 all had hydraulic winches and booms and they both used 10wt oil. Since I've been away from it for almost 20 years I imagine that has changed. Hal



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Allan In NE

12-09-2006 07:20:25




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 Re: M Another oil question in reply to El Toro, 12-09-2006 06:34:23  
Hi Ol' Pard,

I've told this story before, but like to repeat it just to prove my point.

Knew this fellow one time who was going fishing up in the wilds of Plentywood, MT. Clear the heck and gone out from nowhere. Drove a little overhead cam outfit. A Ford Escort or some darned thing.

Anyway, this guy is 90 miles from home out in the boonies and hits a rock which put a small hole in his oil pan. There he is, the middle of the night and he's stuck facing a 90 mile walk. (Before the days of cell phones).

Anyway, he plugged up the hole in the pan with a common rag. Filled the crankcase with water out of the fishin' hole and drove on home.

Next morning, I helped him yank and repair the engine pan, put in a fresh filter/oilpopped 'er off and the little car was still runnin' about the countryside the last I knew. :>)

Iron doesn't care. It just needs some sort of a liquid lubricating agent to keep those movin' metal parts separated from one another. :>)

Allan

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Nat 2

12-09-2006 16:21:52




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 Re: M Another oil question in reply to Allan In NE, 12-09-2006 07:20:25  
Speaking of "yank," I think ol' Allan's yanking our chains!

First we got Merlin tellin' us not to change our oil, ever. Now we've got Allan tellin' us not to USE oil in the first place?!!?!?!?



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glennster

12-09-2006 05:10:31




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 Re: M Another oil question in reply to Den T, 12-09-2006 04:40:54  
i think origoinally, the belly pump was 30wt non detergent for summer use, 10 wt for winter.i now run hy-tran in all my pumps both belly and live and havent had a problem. i also run hy-tran in the char lynn power steering pumps too.



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williamf

12-09-2006 05:08:07




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 Re: M Another oil question in reply to Den T, 12-09-2006 04:40:54  
I can't say about the power steering pump, I've read here all the same opinions.
I do "know" that the hydraulic oil will work fine in the Liftall. Some say it may develop a little less pressure because hydraulic oil is thinner but you'll likely not notice. I couldn't tell on the gauge any difference with mine. (750 psi with each) I used the 30wt anyway; I had already gotten some because that's what the book said. When I change it one day I'll likely go with the hydraulic oil because I keep it on hand for my backhoe.
The other thing is, if you use a piece of equipment with more that one tractor you'd want to use the same fluid in both.
Good luck, Wm

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Dave2

12-10-2006 09:45:37




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 Re: M Another oil question in reply to williamf, 12-09-2006 05:08:07  
The 5 ton army wreckers/trucks used 10 wt for the boom and power steering. A neighbor borrowed my german made farmall and busted a line (emptied the system). He filled it with 15w40 "cause it was on sale". Everything is fine though. I asked a dealer/shop and they said that the only thing that may happen is things stiffen up in cold weather.



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