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MJ in the UK

12-04-2006 09:42:26




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Hi Hugh, just been smiling to myself about your post on the David Brown 990 tractor. In the 1960s I was employed as a salesman selling David Brown tractors both red Implematic and white Selectomatic models. The best seller for me was the 880 Selectomatic. In 1968 ibought my first vintage tractor, a 1942 Allis Chalmers WC. Took it to a lot of shows over the next few years and at one show a youn lad was showig off his dads brand new MF 185 tractor. After a while i go fed up of this as i was not a MF fan at all so i challanged him io a back to back pull with my old WC. We put a chain between the two drawbars and bothset off to see who could pull the most and i just pulled him backwards all round the show ring with his wheel going forward. The young lad is still a good friend of mine and we still talk about the fun we had over 30 years ago

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Fromjb2

12-04-2006 17:09:50




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 Re: Hi Hugh MacKay in reply to MJ in the UK, 12-04-2006 09:42:26  
Hugh, I agree with you pulling ability is all about HP to weight ratio. My uncle had a JD M about 20 HP similar to IH SA. The rear tires were calcium filled and a set of wheel weights. In the fall when we were hauling corn silage wagons (IH silage wagons) from the field to the silo that JD M would out pull the MF 35 and 135 that the neighbours had. The MFs also had calcium in the rears but had to much HP (35) for the weight on the rear and would spin out.
Just like a corvette on an icy road.

JB2

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Hugh MacKay

12-04-2006 22:48:13




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 Re: Hi Hugh MacKay in reply to Fromjb2, 12-04-2006 17:09:50  
JB2: We hauled a lot of hay wagons from baler to barn, had some decent hills as well. 20' x 8' x 8' bale thrower wagons. Usually we pulled those with a Cockshutt 540, however if 130 was going that way we never hesitated to hook a 175 bales behind it. 130 never disappointed us either.

I remember once mowing raking and baling with thrower some hay for a neighbor. He had a nasty hill from field up to highway, quite often having to stop for traffic. I wasn't planing to attempt that hill with 130 and loads. My help were raking with 130 and baling with 560. I landed there with Farmall 300 just as first load was ready, so did the neighbor with his 8N. He got quite huffy, acusing me of just bringing another tractor so I could up my hourly rate. I advised him I really didn't need my wagon smashed to bits from coming down that hill backwards, plus I really don't have time to go to your wake and funeral this week.

I told him if he had really wanted his tractor doing some of the time he could have raked the hay. Well he never thought of that. The way he drove the 8N, I don't think Mike would have wanted to bale his windrows.

I just plain takes weight to pull on hard roads.

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Hugh MacKay

12-04-2006 13:42:40




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 Re: Hi Hugh MacKay in reply to MJ in the UK, 12-04-2006 09:42:26  
MJ: I don't know who was more surprised that day, my brothers actually doing the pulling, my dad standing at the corner of the house or the DB salesman. Salesman, actually he was the dealer and is married to my frist cousin. He also sold New Holland and dad had bought a baler with thrower, haybine, rake, and manure spreader from him. Of course I being the older of three brothers, got the blame for letting them do that to a new tractor.

It was hard gravel driveway, and 130 was loaded with one set of wheel weights plus chloride. Frank actually cheated a bit using the hydraulics and fast hitch drawbar. He had his hand right on hydraulic lever just giving it enough height to give him advantage, yet keep 130 front wheels very slightly on the ground. When that hitch was up all the way it was about 10" higher than 990 fixed drawbar. The DB was basically shipping weight and with those big tires I expect 130 actually had more pounds per square inch on ground. Had they got to the field the results would have been quite different.

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MJ in the UK

12-05-2006 09:21:18




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 Re: Hi Hugh MacKay in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-04-2006 13:42:40  
Yes Hugh i did cheat a little as the WC drawbar was higher than the MF185s as my WC was on 36in wheels and cast centres. Also the lad on the MF185 put the tractor in a low gear and went flat out with the engine as i thought he would, thats why i took him on. I sold the WC afew years later as it had a bodged up front axle on it but i am now the proud owner of a 1962 David Brown 990. It was the David Brown 950 wich Olliver sold as the 500. MJ

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MJ in the UK

12-05-2006 09:24:23




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 Re: Hi Hugh MacKay in reply to MJ in the UK, 12-05-2006 09:21:18  
Sorry boy i got it wrong it was the 32hp David Brown 850 witch Olliver sold as the 500 MJ



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Chris from Wa

12-04-2006 18:03:38




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 Re: Hi Hugh MacKay in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-04-2006 13:42:40  
Hey Hugh, that kind of reminds me of my college days. I was in the Industrial Education Club. Every homecoming we would have a tug-of-war with the Forestry Club and every year we lost. One year we had the rope laid out across the mud hole. Our 1921 La France hook-and-ladder truck was parked on our side of the hole. The rope led underneith the truck and out into the darkness, where it was tied to the bumper of our 1923 White pumper truck. By the light of the bonfire the signal was given to start the pulling. As usual the Forestry club started to pull us into the mud, until the slack was taken out of rope by the pumper truck. It sure was neat seeing those guys up to their wastes in mud.

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Dennis in NC

12-04-2006 09:58:35




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 Re: Hi Hugh MacKay in reply to MJ in the UK, 12-04-2006 09:42:26  
IS THE 880 THE SAME AS THE 5OO OLIVER? JUST FOUND ONE WITH DAVID BROWN MOTOR



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