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Why a hand clutch?

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City-Boy McCoy

12-01-2006 17:09:31




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Howdy, Boys:
Can somebody out there in Farmall-land tell me what the appeal/advantage is to having a hand clutch - such as the M&W - on their H or M?
It seems crazy to me; I mean, the left foot is not doing anything except working the clutch anyway... Why add another task for the hands to do in addition to shifting, steering, hydraulic lever and throttle control? There must be some advantage to which I am unaware?
mike

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Don L C

12-02-2006 14:20:01




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 Re: Why a hand clutch? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-01-2006 17:09:31  
I understand the M&W hand clutch would stop the tractor but allow the power take off and hyd. pump to keep on working....I was also told you couldent change gears with the hand clutch..... .Don



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BIG JOHN

12-02-2006 12:00:54




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 Re: Why a hand clutch? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-01-2006 17:09:31  
The O-4's and O-6's were also made much narrower than the W-4's and W-6's. There wasn't room to put both brake peddels on the same side so they put the left brake on the left side and the right brake on the right side which didn't leave room for a clutch peddel, thus the hand clutch.



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Dandy Dave

12-03-2006 05:16:32




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 Re: Why a hand clutch? in reply to BIG JOHN, 12-02-2006 12:00:54  
I never thought to measure and O-4 against a W-4? Interesting point. I am not sure but I think the O-12 hand clutch was the same width as the W-12 with a foot clutch. The O-12 had foot brakes and the W-12 had hand brakes. The hand clutch on these were on the opposite side as the John Deere's and worked the opposite way engaging back instead of forward. I wonder if the IH engineers did this on purpose???

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Hugh MacKay

12-02-2006 07:55:59




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 Re: Why a hand clutch? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-01-2006 17:09:31  
Mike: I think most of your respondants knew the benefits of the M & W device giving live pto and hydraulics, however many seemed uncertain about the IH hand levers that really only did the same function as the clutch pedal.

I think you will find these were nothing more than personal preference options. You've got to remember, for many of these users it was the first step from steamers, moguls, titans, oil pull tractors, etc., all of which were complete hand controls. Many of these farmers operated these old tractors before they operated a car or truck. They were just not clutch and gear oriented as we are today. In plain and simple terms, they were comfortable with hand controls.

I guess we could describe them as being as stubborn as my wife. She drives and loves her Buick LeSabre, with column shift. She will drive our F-150 auto column shift, but she doesn't like it with cap. She absolutely refuses to drive our Toyota Camery, auto consul shift. We've had a good many discussions over this, and each time I ask her why the hell it matters as long as the gear selecter is within reach and has Park, Reverse, Neutral, OD optional, D, 2 and 1. She complains about parking spaces around town getting too small for the Buick. This Camery is an 88, much shorter than Buick or new Camery's. I guess some folks just don't like change as they age. This suits me, I love that little Camery for beating around on errands.

Bear in mind also, my mother had a K car, consul shift. One day in winter, my mother had both drivers side doors open with K car on high idle. She was putting something in back seat when car slipped out of park. At 72, she quickly closed back door and proceeded to get in and stop car. Not being as quick as she once was, car moving backwards, driver door knocked her down and front wheel ran over her leg, between ankle and knee. luckily she suffered only bruises, got up and followed car 1/4 mile across field until it came to a hill and stopped. She got in, drove car back, put it in garage and initially didn't tell anyone until her leg turned black and blue and her blood presure went out of sight. My mother was ok after she calmed down. Try as I will, I can not convince my wife, the problem was K car and not the shift lever. You couldn't convince my mother that either after that incident.

Evolution, my friend, we may not change our ways, but new generations will.

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Dandy Dave

12-02-2006 05:43:33




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 Re: Why a hand clutch? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-01-2006 17:09:31  
I am an old farm boy myself (Dairy Farm) and do understand the convenance of a live power take off. Although I could never understand why the IH orchard models came though with a hand clutch. I had an O-12 and several O-4's though the years and were supprised the see that they were hand clutch from the factory.



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Chuck Kaufman

12-04-2006 07:16:58




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 Re: Why a hand clutch? in reply to Dandy Dave, 12-02-2006 05:43:33  
The Hand clutches on the orchard tractors allowed the operator to stand up or walk along side the tractor while hooked up to the spay rig. the old sprayers used hand wands and you spayed each tree
seperatly.The hand clutch let you bump the tractor to the next tree without getting on.



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sammy the RED

12-01-2006 21:04:06




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 Re: Why a hand clutch? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-01-2006 17:09:31  
So you can bale hay a lot better when you come to a slug of hay !



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randy hall

12-01-2006 20:21:11




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 Re: Why a hand clutch? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-01-2006 17:09:31  
at one time tractor supply sold a hand clutch attachment for h's and m's that was just a linkage assembly to give you a hand operated clutch, why? why not.



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low budget

12-02-2006 03:43:06




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 Re: Why a hand clutch? in reply to randy hall, 12-01-2006 20:21:11  
So you could pretend it was a 2cyl JD? Might be handy for some one who had polio and recovered . Worked with someone like that. Was scary helping him hitch up to something. He walked around like a string puppet, but never considered himself disabled.



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Ksfarmmer

12-01-2006 19:32:01




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 Re: Why a hand clutch? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-01-2006 17:09:31  
The other guys got it right on. Not only gives you a live PTO of sorts but also allows live hydraulics as well. For example, when using a planter and you get to the end of a row, you pull back the hand clutch use the hydraulics to lift the planter and then push the clutch forward to turn around. Works great! Otherwise, one would have to stop, shift to neutral, lift the planter or whatever implement you have and then shift back into gear to turn the corner. As someone else noted, there is no value to a hand clutch once tractors had live hydraulics or PTO, but without the live hydraulics/PTO the hand clutch is a fantastic accessory. Not that I would recommend this now, but it allowed me to operate our old M before I was old enough to push in the foot clutch and shift gears. I could start and stop the tractor using the hand clutch.

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KEB

12-01-2006 19:12:43




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 Re: Why a hand clutch? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-01-2006 17:09:31  
The M&W clutch on the H's & M's disconnected one wheel from the differential, allowing the differential to continue spinning without the tractor moving. Provided a pseudo live PTO function, in that you could stop and start the tractor without having to use the regular clutch. Since the transmission kept turning, there was still power to the PTO.

See other tractors with a hand clutch instead of a foot clutch, not sure what the advantage to that would be.

Keith

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Mel Stout

12-01-2006 17:23:30




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 Re: Why a hand clutch? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-01-2006 17:09:31  
H's and M's did not come with live PTO's. If you use them on a PTO bailer which many did you had to kick it out of gear if you came upon on a wad of hay or obsticle. Then wait for the momentum of the bailer die down before you could get the tractor back in gear. Just something most lived with. With a hand clutch you could ease into it or through a ditch with the PTO running full speed. The old AC's like the WD45's (about the same period in time), came with a hand clutch and were good bailing tractors in their time.

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Paul Shuler

12-01-2006 17:20:45




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 Re: Why a hand clutch? in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 12-01-2006 17:09:31  
I'm sure someone can add much more to this than I can. If I understand it right it allowed you to clutch the tractor without stopping the pto if you ran into thick stuff when bailing hay or other task when you may want to stop the tractor without stopping the power to the pto. Live pto and live hydraulics kinda put the end to needing a hand clutch. Now we will see what the smarter guys have to add.
Paul
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City-Boy McCoy

12-02-2006 02:53:26




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 Re: Why a hand clutch? in reply to Paul Shuler, 12-01-2006 17:20:45  
Excellent explanations. Now, I understand. Thanks.
mike



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