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BobOHIO

11-29-2006 19:53:47




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I got my BN with 6 volt system charging and working great this summer with the help of John and other folks here...thank you. I'm putting the tractor away for the winter. Kept under a tarp outside. I wanted to take the 6 volt battery inside for the winter to keep it trickle charged. During the winter if we get a mild day I like to start the tractor to keep things oiled. If I took the battery out and just used a jump starter to get it running, would the VR or genny be damaged in any way. Running but not connected to a battery? Thank you for your help. Bob

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BobOHIO

12-02-2006 12:27:30




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 Re: Farmall BN charging system in reply to BobOHIO, 11-29-2006 19:53:47  
Thanks everybody. I put some Stabilizer in the gas. I'll drain the carb and just let it set for the winter. I figured it would be good to get the oil circulating but I probably don't run it long enough to get good and hot. Thanks for all the good advice. I appreciate your help. Bob



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Roger Mills

12-01-2006 08:41:57




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 Re: Farmall BN charging system in reply to BobOHIO, 11-29-2006 19:53:47  
Service manual says to disconnect wires from Field post on gen if engine is run with no battery connected or the armature WILL be damaged. 6 volt 3 brush generators use a "Hot" field where the post is the low side and max output is with the field post grounded and less output when it goes through an external resistor to ground. This post is either connected to the field connection on the cut out box or to one in the light switch. The generator will have no output if the field is disconnected. With no battery connected the armature current goes sky high through the cutout coil to ground. This heats it up and melts the solder at the commutator. When the battery is connected it comes up to voltage and a second winding in the cutout coil opens the contacts and disconnects the armature. At least that is the description in the book.

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Jim Becker

11-30-2006 15:48:41




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 Re: Farmall BN charging system in reply to BobOHIO, 11-29-2006 19:53:47  
As was already stated, taking the geenrator belt would do it. For limited running, you can take the wire off the generator "F" terminal and it won't charge.



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John T

11-30-2006 07:31:42




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 Re: Farmall BN charging system in reply to BobOHIO, 11-29-2006 19:53:47  
Bob, Ima thinkin along the lines of Bob M, I dont like the sound of this. If you mean youre gonna take one of those jump start batery packs out to the tractor to start it (that what you mean???) Id just leave it connected to the battery cables while shes running. Better yet why not just haul the real battery out there n hook it up????? ???? that would be my preference.

I dont like to let that genny and VR run wide open and not see a load like a big battery electron bank cuz thats how the genny n VR system is designed to operate and regulate things with that battery as a reference n stabilizer.

For long storage periods I recommend the oil be changed PRIOR to storage cuz the fresh oil wont have all the acids n left over contaminants. Over the winter one could periodically remove the plugs n squirt oil down the cylinders n crank her over to exercise the rings n valves n oil up the cylinder walls. I agree with Bob if youre not gonna let her run long enough to get her hot to dry out all the moisture n acids I wouldnt start her at all.

As far as gas, I recommend the use of Sta Bil plus I mix in some low ash marine combustible 2 cycle oil in cuz its my opinion it may leave some oil residue on the carbs interior n other places to reduce oxidation. I also run gumout in the gas to try n keep the carb cleaner. Store it with the carb drained (after the sta bil n 2 cycle oil has been used so its residue remains in the carb) and then before I restart I let the gas run a good while with the carbs drain opened to wash n flush n clean out the needle valve n seat area.

Its not as easy for you IHC 4 banger guys but on my 2 cylinder Deeres I like to store them wiht the ignition points left open

best wishes

John T

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Bob M

11-30-2006 06:21:41




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 Re: Farmall BN charging system in reply to BobOHIO, 11-29-2006 19:53:47  
Bob - A couple comments:

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1 - My experience has been causes no harm to run the tractor with the stock 6 volt generator system without the battery connected. I’ve run them batteryless for as long as a couple hours with no apparent ill effects.

On the other hand I DO NOT recommend it! The tractor depends on the battery to ballast/stabilize the electrical system – it’s uncertain to me what’s going on inside the regulator under these condition. I'd rather gamble the $40 or so for a replacement regulator on something else!

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2 – Unless you can put your BN under load and bring the engine up to full operating temperature for ½ hour or more, my recommendation is to not start it at all over the winter.

Periodically starting, then idling without load results in buildup of combustion byproducts (moisture, acids, etc.) inside the engine. Better to simply let it sit unstarted all the winter.

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FWIW except for my snowplow tractor, all mine winter over in an unheated shed from mid-December until late April here in chilly western NY. I leave the batteries in and connected. And the tractors always fire up without so much as a battery boost once warmer weather returns.

Simply top off the gas tank and treat it with fuel stabilizer, then run the carburetor dry when you park for the winter. Pull the battery if you wish and store it in a cool, dry place. But my experience is this step is unnecessary as long as the battery is fully charged when the tractor is put away.

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gene bender

11-30-2006 03:51:45




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 Re: Farmall BN charging system in reply to BobOHIO, 11-29-2006 19:53:47  
Not a bad idea to remove the battery. I dont do anything just park them in an unheated shed till spring. No need to trickle charge until spring when you want to use it. No need to start during winter as you do more harm than good. Look at dealers they just leave them set and for years and years farmers just park them until spring some of them dont even have a cover. Your B will be just fine. I have one B that spent 7yrs in COLO AT 10,000 FT would set all winter under the house and start up next APRIL just like supposed to. Was always fun to hear it run after the long cold winter as would park it in OCTOBER just push the kill sw.Neighbor from TEXAS always said got to use STAY-BIL or something but i never did.

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Dave BN

11-29-2006 22:08:18




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 Re: Farmall BN charging system in reply to BobOHIO, 11-29-2006 19:53:47  
Bob, my tractors spend the winter in the barn (unless I need to use them). I leave them just as they are. I live in Michigan and it gets cold here. It's a little warmer in the barn but not much. Never had any trouble. You can restrap the generator to run without a battery but I don't remember which wires to move. You won't want to run it very long without the battery or you could burn up the generator. Dave.

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CNKS

11-29-2006 20:04:31




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 Re: Farmall BN charging system in reply to BobOHIO, 11-29-2006 19:53:47  
Take the belt off the generator and tie it back to keep it out of the fan. No need to leave it on with a magneto, if you are just starting it occasionally. I have heard that generator or VR is damaged with no battery. Someone else can correct me or explain it. Just take your charged 6 volt battery, or a 12 volt for that matter, and start it. I have an H with no generator, I just start it a 2-3 times a year until I get around to refurbishing it.

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