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Mike CA

11-28-2006 21:20:43




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Last time I was up with my H trying to get it to run for an extended period of time, my brother-in-law figured out the the solenoid was making good contact ground, and was keeping the tractor from starting occasionly. (The H has been converted to 12v by the previous owner). I pulled the solenoid and broken bracket in order to take it to a parts store and get a replacement.

I've been moving since that time, and I can't find the parts. My question is: Will any solenoid work, or does it have to be an exact match with that exact kind of bracket?

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Mike CA

11-29-2006 08:43:22




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to Mike CA, 11-28-2006 21:20:43  
Right now the tractor has a key start. I will be switching back to the original button start eventually during the restoration. But for right now I just want to get it running so I can evaluate it for maintenance needs.



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gene bender

11-29-2006 10:13:52




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to Mike CA, 11-29-2006 08:43:22  
put the original one and spend the money just once as the original will sure pass 12v. Then put the original sw on to fire the dist and that much is done



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RustyFarmall

11-29-2006 08:56:51




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to Mike CA, 11-29-2006 08:43:22  
Mike, if you have any friends that drive and work on the older Ford cars or trucks, I'll bet one of them has a solenoid or two just laying around. I could send you one, but the postage might cost more than the solenoid.



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Mike CA

11-29-2006 12:59:25




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to RustyFarmall, 11-29-2006 08:56:51  
All I could find was a solenid from an F-18 laying around the base. I put it on and the tractor blew up. :\



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Ken B

11-29-2006 06:53:49




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to Mike CA, 11-28-2006 21:20:43  
I have 2 H Farmall and a Oliver that is set up as a puller. I changed it to a key sw serval years ago using a Ford Solenoid around $9 and a key sw around $12 . Now one of my H's push sw. is acting up the 3rd one. I will be changing it over also I run 12v on all of them .I don't think the sw can handle it.And yes I know they were not made for 12V . But there no Solenoids on any H's from the factory .

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F-Dean

11-29-2006 06:33:04




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to Mike CA, 11-28-2006 21:20:43  
When conveting/adding a 12-volt system, I use a solenoid because someone on this site (Possabily Bob M.) indicated this would minimize the voltage lose in the cable and a key start switch for safety when kids are around.



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John T

11-29-2006 05:58:22




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to Mike CA, 11-28-2006 21:20:43  
Mike, I will add my vote for one of the fender mount Ford units, so easy to use and wire up is why, it engages when you apply 12 volts via a starter button/switch/key to its lil S terminal. Then if you really wanan get fancy, use a 6 volt coil with a stand alone series ballast resistior and wire the solenoids lil I terminal direct to the coil to by pass the ballast for a hotter starting spark.

John T

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D Slater

11-29-2006 12:42:47




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to John T, 11-29-2006 05:58:22  
Yes John T. for a working starter IH must of thought one of those soleniods would be okay because that basicly what they put on 300, 350 ETC tractors with the same basic starter as a H. They even added the soleniod to coil post when they started using 12 volts on 350 and 450,maybe others.



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Bob M

11-29-2006 04:24:16




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to Mike CA, 11-28-2006 21:20:43  
Mike - Any 12 volt solenoid will work fine. Easiest to adapt is probably the generic, fender mounted "Ford" style - cheap and has nice mounting ears that are easily bent as required.

Note: If the solenoid you buy has 2 small terminals on it, wire the starter button (or key switch...) to the "S" terminal. Nothing will get connected to the "I" terminal.



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gene bender

11-29-2006 03:39:50




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to Mike CA, 11-28-2006 21:20:43  
If you are going to restore the tractor why are you messing with a solenoid as that is not original. The original was a mech sw that is fool proof.



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NDS

11-29-2006 05:50:06




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to gene bender, 11-29-2006 03:39:50  
Misread your post.



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NDS

11-29-2006 05:40:07




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to gene bender, 11-29-2006 03:39:50  
What years did H have factory solenoid?



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old

11-29-2006 07:58:38




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to NDS, 11-29-2006 05:40:07  
Never had one all where push button



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old

11-28-2006 21:36:15




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to Mike CA, 11-28-2006 21:20:43  
Well that might depend on if it was made when new with the big starter button or if it had the soliniod from the factory. If it should have the big button then any ford soliniod will work but if it was a factory one then no you will need one to match but a good parts made should be able to look that up. I just put one on a 340 a few weeks back and it would probably be the same as yours and I got it from an O'reillys auto parts store.

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Nat 2

11-29-2006 04:52:37




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to old, 11-28-2006 21:36:15  
Never seen or heard of an H with a factory solenoid. Is there such an animal?



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Bob M

11-29-2006 06:06:56




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to Nat 2, 11-29-2006 04:52:37  
Nope! All the lettered Farmalls came with manual starter switches. However you'll often find a solenoid has been installed as part of a 12 volt conversion - though it's not really necessary.

You'll also find an occasional stock 6 volt tractor with a solenoid in place of the manual switch. I suspect this happened after the original switch failed and the owner found it faster (and possibly cheaper...) to replace with a 6 volt solenoid.

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RustyFarmall

11-29-2006 05:51:14




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to Nat 2, 11-29-2006 04:52:37  
No, there never was a factory installed solenoid on any of the letter series tractors. Any of these tractors that now use a solenoid have also been subjected to a 12 volt conversion, and even then the solenoid is not necessary.



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old

11-29-2006 07:47:08




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 Re: Solenoid question in reply to RustyFarmall, 11-29-2006 05:51:14  
See that was the one part of his question I wasn't sure of so any soliniod would fix his problem but shoot if I where him I would just buy the push button switch and save some $$$



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