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Duals for a Farmall C??

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Harold Hubbard

11-26-2006 19:27:16




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I mow about a hundred acres a year with a Kosch side mount sickle bar on a Farmall C. Much of it gets put off until late fall, and with the wet weather we have had the last couple of years, I seem to have been spending way too much time on the wrong end of a tow chain. Of course, any thrashing around in a wet place makes it worse the next year, even if you only rut it up and don't get stuck. Lots of deep brown tracks through the meadows don't really impress the property owners either. They also don't want to hear about why a quarter of the mowing isn't done, and won't get done until h*** freezes over, at which time their swamp should be solid as well. None of this property is likely to get drained, or even turned up and regraded, in the foreseeable future. So, I have been threatening for several years to put duals on the tractor. I have a few questions about duals in general and this application in particular, and I have a few assumptions that I want to check out.

I know that the duals will not save me from rank stupidity, so if I have to stop suddenly to avoid a jet-ski and can't get going again it is my own fault, but I hope to be able to cover all the ground that I have gone over in the past, even in a really wet year like this. I also hope that the duals will tend to "roll out" some of the worst ruts from the previous years, depending on how wet the ground is when I am on it. I also realize that the tractor is going to be wider, thus keeping me out of some narrow spots where maybe I shouldn't go in the first place.

1. If I am using the duals strictly for flotation, and not trying to pull the world, will the axles take it all right? I know the C, super C, and 200 axles are prone to break next to the inner bearing at the end of the splines. I have broken several, but none since we quit using the tractor for heavy snow plowing, I think the constant shuttling from forward to reverse was mostly to blame.

2. Are the standard axles long enough, and how do you set the wheels? Can both rims be facing out, or must the inner one be reversed, and inside the wheel disk? Do the fenders have to be set in?

3. I am planning to cut the weight down at the same time. I will get rid of the chloride and two iron wheel weights, but will leave two weights on the left side as counterbalance for the cutterbar. I think that the two extra wheel disks will replace the iron weight. I can leave them on when I remove the duals, giving me enough weight for raking and other light work.

4. I have read somewhere that the inner and outer tires should be closely matched in size, is this mainly in a high traction situation, or is it required for flotation as well? I will probably be buying new tires, and there is not much choice of brand, style, or ply rating. (11.2x36)

5. Will there be steering problems? I have seen this mentioned in recent posts.

6. Will I have traction problems on hard ground? Not pulling anything, but trying to get its own sorry self up and down some fairly steep slopes without slipping and sliding around too much.

6. What can I do on the front? I have a tricycle front, the farmall wide front and big tires is not an option, due to less maneuverability and higher steering effort. The standard tires on the narrow front are 5.50x15, and the next available size is 7.50x15. I don't know if the larger tires would have enough space between them, even with the wheels set out to the wide spacing. They would also look pretty funny on those three inch rims. I have an H narrow front that I adapted to one of my super C's, with the 6.00x16's that are on it, it seems to slide sideways a lot on grass ground, but maybe with the added weight of the mower it would work all right, and I could fit even wider tires. Any change in front tires would at least get me away from those paper-thin four plys, even with full reliners and Slime, I patch a lot of tires.

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Eastsider

11-27-2006 12:52:55




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 Re: Duals for a Farmall C?? in reply to Harold Hubbard, 11-26-2006 19:27:16  
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Here is a picture of my 230 when I purchased it. It had a steel band made to fit between the rims, and rebar rods to hold it all together. You can do the same and not have any extra weight due to another wheel center on each side. I took them off, and used the extra set on our C, but it was cool to have it that way for a while!

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trw

11-27-2006 11:03:14




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 Re: Duals for a Farmall C?? in reply to Harold Hubbard, 11-26-2006 19:27:16  
This is not related to your topic, but related to your name. There is a Herold Hubbard Implement in Chamberlain, SD and yes, it is a Case/IH dealership. Any relation? There was also a Hubbard Implement in Presho, SD (may still be there) and a Les Hubbard Implement in Pierre, SD. I believe they were all brothers. The Les Hubbard Implement was forced out of business when the Case and IH merger went through. Case had a company store in town so the IH dealer had to close. Just curious.

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Randy McC

11-27-2006 19:25:00




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 Re: Duals for a Farmall C?? in reply to trw, 11-27-2006 11:03:14  
Hello TRW,

My name is Randy McClenahan. My father started the IH dealership in Chamberlain. His name was William James McClenahan but everyone called him Bub. I have a picture of the dealership with my father and grandfather standing in front of 3 new H's, one with duals. He sold the dealership to IH in the early sixties. I know Hubbard owned it shortly thereafter but I do not know how he got it from IH.

I now have an A, C, BN, H and M that are in various stages of restoration. I wish my father was still living to work on them with me. Thank you for the memories.

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Dr.EVIL

11-27-2006 07:59:38




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 Re: Duals for a Farmall C?? in reply to Harold Hubbard, 11-26-2006 19:27:16  
I'd run the inside rear tires as close together as You can on Your C. And the duals only have to be a couple inches away from the main tire, just far enough away so they don't rub where they bulge on the bottom. I would not run clamp-on duals, those old IH letter series tractors had a bad habit of cracking rear cast wheel centers, H's and M's especially, I suspect the C/SC would too as the centers are similar only much lighter. The off-set of the clamp-on dual puts too much stress on the center of the wheel and it cracks where the "U"-clamp bolts to the wheel. If You want flotation I'd take ALL the weight off. Your tractor will push and try to go straight when You turn short, so using the inside brake will be required. I'd use the taller tire on the inside wheels, and run a couple less PSI air pressure on the duals. Look at FIRESTONE's tire website for the "Loaded Radius" of the tire size You have. Even without ballast duals should give You more than enough traction to use all the HP Your C has. Only suggestion I have for the front is lighter weight and wider tires. I've even seen people "Dual" up front wheels on WFE tractors. On Your C new wheels & separate hubs will probably be required to get tires much wider.

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Allan In NE

11-27-2006 00:40:12




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 Re: Duals for a Farmall C?? in reply to Harold Hubbard, 11-26-2006 19:27:16  
Hi Harold,

Leave the all the weight on the tractor, put the duals on and go.

Allan



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Mel Stout

11-26-2006 21:09:28




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 Re: Duals for a Farmall C?? in reply to Harold Hubbard, 11-26-2006 19:27:16  
On the farm many years ago we had two Super C's. We built a dozer blade for one of them which was very handy. Come trench silo filling time we took the rears off one of them and added them to the ones on the dozer tractor. The duals worked great side by side on the axels. We put car tires on the narrow front rims. That helped also. Can't remember if we took the rear wheel weights off. The axels held up fine. You won't be able to turn sharp but it should work.

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jwal10

11-26-2006 20:36:03




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 Re: Duals for a Farmall C?? in reply to Harold Hubbard, 11-26-2006 19:27:16  
Hi,As for#2&3. I would use clamp on duals,this takes care of the mentioned problems.#4 put new tires on tractor and use old tires on duals this helps with steering as duals are a little smaller.#6 leave all weight as it is, you will have more traction than before.



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the tractor vet

11-26-2006 20:35:02




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 Re: Duals for a Farmall C?? in reply to Harold Hubbard, 11-26-2006 19:27:16  
Well since the C rear wheels do not have the dish like the H and M' up you would have to move the one set in towards the axel housing and the next set out almost to the end of the axel as you want atleast 6 inches between the two tires and both inside and outside tire MUST be the same size , a wide ft. would be a plus in this operation and a wider ft tire would also help but this would require you to split the ft. rims and weld a band in then find a tire that would be wider then set the ft up so that the ft. tires run in the same track as the inside backs do . Then myself i would run the back tires a few pounds less in pressure as this will also help in soft ground . The added weight of the second set of rear rims and wheels will help for traction as for axel problems you should not have a problem as they did have them set up this way from the factory . The long axel would be nice but not nessary.

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Wardner

11-26-2006 20:09:50




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 Re: Duals for a Farmall C?? in reply to Harold Hubbard, 11-26-2006 19:27:16  
I don't have much to add here except to say I have always been impressed at how well narrow front ends travel through soft ground.

I had a contract to bush hog lowland areas between ponds and long flood control dikes. I used a SMTA with no ballast. Whereas I would occasionally leave ruts with the rear tires, the fronts seemed to skip over the mud and mossy areas. I attributed the lack of penetration to the two tires acting like one large flotation tire. The fronts were set to the closest position.

This tractor normally runs 300 lbs of front frame weights when mowing to offset the heavy duty Woods mower hooked up to a fast hitch. I take them off when working in soft ground.

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