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660 dual tires

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Wardner

11-24-2006 22:20:39




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My parts book has the dual tire adaptors listed. There appears to be a very heavy drum and a spacer with pie crust edges that slips over it. My tractor is equipped with the correct wheel that these pieces mount to.

I am wondering in what part of the country the dual tire adaptors were used. In other words, where would I start looking? I would appreciate an estimate on rarity.

On the whole, is this a good idea? Will the tractor understeer? Will I start to break things in the axle or planetary hub dept?

Does anyone have pictures of the parts? The parts book illustration confuses me. It looks like the rims are different from the two I already have. Mine have lugs riveted to the rim whereas the illustration shows M type lugs (clamps) but only used on the outside rim.

Moreover, it appears that the inner tire and rim are not moved inwards. In fact, there is no room if the fenders are to remain. Total width of the tractor must be outrageous when the tractor is equipped with duals. I am thinking 11-12 feet overall. It currently has stock 18.4-34 tires. I'll never be able to put it on a trailer and be legal without an escort and permits.

I like unusual stuff; particularly in the attachment area. This tractor already has an Elwood FWA with loaded tires and weights.

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steelfronts

11-25-2006 08:29:02




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 Re: 660 dual tires in reply to Wardner, 11-24-2006 22:20:39  
Try this number for your dual parts. Hes a scrapper that i know has bought them an a sale and they dont takee things directly to the smelter. Dick Hines? 219 633 4434 . They are open sun nd Mon.



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Allan In NE

11-25-2006 06:44:06




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 Re: 660 dual tires in reply to Wardner, 11-24-2006 22:20:39  
Wardner,

I've always used duals for floation purposes. I'd guess that when mounted up, they end up being around 12 feet wide or better outside to outside of the tires.

When I was younger, I could wrestle those honkers around by hand. I notice now that I can't even get the goofy things off the ground without the help of my loader. :>)

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

11-25-2006 03:19:13




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 Re: 660 dual tires in reply to Wardner, 11-24-2006 22:20:39  
Wardner: I've never seen duals on a Standard or W series tractor. How close are these duals you describe to the snap on duals that came from aftermarket, for just about any tractor in the 1970s and since. I say snap on but they actually used two fastening systems. The dual actually had a cylinder type spacer welded to it, which fitted into inside rim. Lugs on inside wheel used I bolts, to which over center bind type of device or bolt held out side rim tight to the inside rim.

The first tractor I ever added duals was my 1066, and they were axle clamp duals. The manual clearly stated, " Do not use the tractor equiped with duals for a maximum pull in the 3 lowest gears." IH must have had some concerns about power train or chassis. When I added the duals, I was looking for flotation, thus I got rid of Calcium Chloride. I never did have wheel weights on the tractor. I liked what I did so well, that within a year I bought a set of duals that I could use on either Farmalls 560 or 656. Again I got rid of all Chloride and wheel weights. I actually found my tractors had better traction in a field situation with duals and no weight added, and indeed the dual reduced the print in the soil. Bear in mind this does not hold true on hard or frozen ground. I actually had quite a merry ride once with 1066 on duals 12 ton manure spreader on frozen ground. I also remember my 300 with chloride and wheel weights getting better traction on hard roads pulling loaded silage wagons than 560 or 656 with duals and no weight. When you think about it 300 probably had about same rear end weight, and probably 3 times the pounds per square inch on road. 300 had single 13.6x38 while 560 and 656 had 16.9x38 duals. Even with duals off I expect 300 had higher pounds per square inch than the 560 or 656.

The one thing I do have against duals and this was especially true on 1066. Probably because of tractor size and it pulled more heavy draft loads the 560 or 656 did. Under heavy load dualed tractors want to go straight ahead. They beat the hell out of front end and brakes. If I were doing it over, that 1066 would have come with front wheel drive. Not only for the larger front tires, but I've driven a couple of dualed tractors since with front drive engaged, just amazing what it does for steering control, plus not having to jump on brakes even in slight steering correction.

I think you will find keeping weight and adding duals, will add substancial wear to your power train. I've seen guys try that, all makes, you also saw their tractors at dealers with rear end open. For me, my heavy loads were PTO loads, I was working soils very subject to compaction. However so were we all, tire shop near here tells me in the 1970s it was all the weight you could pile on tractor. Today it's keep tractor light as you can and add rubber, duals, even triples front and rear.

First set of tires on my 1066 singles with chloride, lasted 1,000 hours Same tire dualed and no chloride 9,000 hours. That is precisely why I say every thing over 100 hp should be articulated and dualed. Getting maximum pull out of a tractor only counts at tractor pulls. it really has nothing to do with making money. I alway found keeping them away from repair shop made money.

Only you know your goals, thus you can gear up for them. By the way, You soon get used to the width, once you've run down a few gate posts. Duals greatly increase stability with a loader.

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