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werowance

11-21-2006 12:52:17




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Ok, the other night was posting about engine sleeves, and thanks to all who helped and responded, but something was said that sparks up another question. it was mentioned about putting a water pump on it. now it doesnt have one currently, can i add one ? just buy one and bolt it on? surely it couldnt be that simple. but looks like a water pump would be better than the thermo dynamic water boil water cool setup of the no water pump deal. anyway does any know anything about this?

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viktor

11-24-2006 12:03:31




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 Re: super a rebuild more questions in reply to werowance, 11-21-2006 12:52:17  
Hugh
three looked bad but just because the piston is still stuck in the sleeve which I have already removed. Nothing looked like it ever overheated.



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tractorsam

11-22-2006 14:00:51




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 Re: super a rebuild more questions in reply to werowance, 11-21-2006 12:52:17  
After having to get my rad re-cored I'm now having to add a water pump. Case IH were talking $400 Canadian for a new pump, managed to get one aftermarket for $200. Now having great fun making it fit. Lots of angle grinder mods, then you've got to make the tractor take a thermostat that it was never intended to have. You'll also need a new upper generator bracket. Real good fun, I'd stick with the original if you can. tractorsam

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viktor

11-22-2006 04:49:04




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 Re: super a rebuild more questions in reply to werowance, 11-21-2006 12:52:17  
I know all about the crud and sludge in an engine block. I just took my super a engine apart and there was about 2 inches of crap in the bottom where I removed my sleeves. Could not believe that much build up was in their.Or what it is. What a mess. Can't see how it didn't run hot.



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Hugh MacKay

11-22-2006 07:00:41




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 Re: super a rebuild more questions in reply to viktor, 11-22-2006 04:49:04  
viktor: Which cylinders were in the worst shape when you opened the engine? I'll bet it was the ones with the most sluge around them. While these seem not to heat, I have talked with rebuilders that are of the opinion these engines quite often suffer from hot spots within the engine.

I've had several of these rebuilt in my life time, yes even the C-123 with water pumps, and it always seems to be 1 or 2 cylinders that take them down. At least one always finds a couple of cylinders with poor compression. I can't be certain it was the cylinders with the most sludge build up as I've never done the rebuilds myself.

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gene bender

11-21-2006 18:39:03




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 Re: super a rebuild more questions in reply to werowance, 11-21-2006 12:52:17  
If you have replaced the sleeves you now have a clean block as without a doubt you found crud at the bottom of the old sleeve where the water drains down thru the four holes so now that your system is nice and clean you shouldnt have any problems. Mite want to check temp when engine has warmed up real good temp will be around 165 when you take off the radiator cap and check. A water pump can be installed but not realy needed with a clean block.

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Hugh MacKay

11-21-2006 14:44:32




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 Re: super a rebuild more questions in reply to werowance, 11-21-2006 12:52:17  
werowance: I wouldn't look at water pump unless I were having circulation problems. My Super A has seen a lot of hours, sure you here them gurgling and bubbling after you shut them off, but they have been doing that for 50 to 60 years with no adverse effect. Thermosyphon was and still is a good cooling system.

Now there are a couple of exceptions, plugged water jacket, a radiator that is partially plugged, but those will still give problems with a water pump. If part of the water jacket is plugged off and no water goes there, even pumped water takes the easy route. If part of the radiator cores are plugged off neither systen will cool right.

There is also another exception, at least one guy here on YT had his radiator recored and the supplier could not get a proper core for thermosyphon, just maybe they are no longer available. He did have to add a pump. Adding the pump is no problem, just a straight forward bolt on. Problem comes at top finding a thermostat to fit and work properly. It can be done, and there are folks on here who have done it. I think geneb has.

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SuperA-Tx

11-21-2006 14:55:00




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 Re: super a rebuild more questions in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-21-2006 14:44:32  
Hugh,

Whats the advantage of having an old radiator recored verses getting a new one? I know a new one costs about $300 but then you have a whole new system. If its recored then you still have the old outside of the radiator (would be ok if its not in to bad of shape I guess).

Just curious.



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Hugh MacKay

11-21-2006 15:49:48




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 Re: super a rebuild more questions in reply to SuperA-Tx, 11-21-2006 14:55:00  
They are very close in price, I expect the price difference is the frame around the perimeter. Here in Canada we get a recore much quicker, one day at the most. Some of the new rads just don't fit exactly right either.



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SuperA-Tx

11-21-2006 13:40:15




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 Re: super a rebuild more questions in reply to werowance, 11-21-2006 12:52:17  
Someone else asked this question a week or two ago.

I would not put one on there. My father and cousins used my Super A cultivating roses day after day in the hot Texas summer and it was always fine.

If the radiator is rusted I think you might buy a new one and that would be a better investment.

Just my two cents.



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RAW in IA

11-21-2006 16:24:16




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 Re: super a rebuild more questions in reply to SuperA-Tx, 11-21-2006 13:40:15  
I will agree with the above on the thermosyphon system. Dad had an early C, which when he overhaled it putin a super kit to up horsepower. Never had any trouble with cooling and we workde it hard at times. Only problem I ever had was once I didn,t check the coolant before I went to mow gov. acres, and it was low. They will not circulate with the water low, so it overheated, got hot enough to burn the valve cover gasket off. Only time I ever saw it overheat.

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