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Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall

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Kathy Kaminski

11-19-2006 13:38:15




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Hi,

My mother passed away recently and I'm trying to sell things that belonged to my Mom and Dad.
I'm going to try to sell my dad's Farmall but I don't know what year it was born. He passed away 3 years ago. There is a little metal plate on the engine that says: Model H Serial # FBH 35091. It is hard to read. I have the manual but no date is inside. A neighbor says 1940 and another neighbor tells me it is a 1949. I remember helping my dad back in the mid 50's when he bought it and overhauled the engine. Also can you give me any advice on how to sell it? It is in good condition. My dad always put it inside of the garage when he was done with it. He used it in the woods to bring in firewood and to plow the driveway in the winter. Thank you in advance for any information you are able to provide. Kathy

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LenRahilly

11-28-2006 09:10:10




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to Kathy Kaminski, 11-19-2006 13:38:15  
Kathy: You've rec'd some good advice from some very helpful people. A couple of thoughts of my own:
1) Since the tractor hasn't been run in several years, the cylinders are going to be DRY--the little oil that is on the walls and pistons will have run down into the crankcase. The sparkplugs should be removed and a little oil sprayed into the hole, if possible around the top of the piston. I use "gun oil," which comes in a spray can and has a plastic spout. It is very light and easy to use, and should provide just enough lube so the pistons and rings don't scrub and scratch the cylinder walls. I wouldn't use WD-40 or the like, because it is more like kerosene than oil. After starting, in a little while the engine should provide its own lubrication (check the oil pressure gauge after startup).
2. The carburetor should have some sort of drain on it. These tractors could be ordered from the factory with a gasoline carburetor and manifold, or with a "kerosene-distillate" carb and manifold (it's easy to tell: the k-d model had a little auxiliary fuel tank; as I remember, the cap sticks through a hole in the hood). The k-d carb has a little spigot that you can turn to drain the carb (another story, which would take another paragraph to explain). The gas model probably has a pipe plug that can be removed if necessary to drain the carb. The whole point of all this is that old gas gums things up badly, and if there is any old gas in the carb, it should be drained out. More likely it's evaporated by now, I would think. Sometimes, old gas that's been left to sit too long plugs up the jets in the carb. Had that happen to me this past summer, with a lawnmower that hadn't been run in several years. By no means should you use any leftover gas in the tank. It is fairly easy to drain a tank by undoing the fuel pipe where it connects at the carburetor. Be aware that gasoline is VERY volatile and gives off vapors that can be ignited by any sort of flame nearby (don't smoke!). The very early models of H and M had a seat support made in two parts: straight back from the pivot point near the spring, and then up at an angle to reach the seat. Might be a little more interesting to a collector. The later models had a (to my eye, more beautiful) one-piece, round, curved pipe-like seat support.
Some farmers who needs light tractors find the machines of this vintage to be very useful, and, of course, cheap to buy compared to new stuff that probably runs to the price of a car, at a minimum. I know a fruit and vegetable grower who has several H, M, A models of International tractors. Might be a suggestion for your advertising, if you don't sell this to one of the fellows who's been writing.
Used to live near Lansing. Sorry I can't come out and have some fun getting the old girl started. I helped my father farm with two different H's (a '41 and a '51) for probably 15 years, so I am fairly familiar with them. They were a little light on power for what IHC claimed they would do, but they were a delight to drive compared to the tractors that they replaced (F-20, specifically--a brute to ride on all day).
I have some repair information on these tractors, so if I can help, drop me a line at: fieldrahilly@adelphia.net
Len Rahilly
Lebanon, NH

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Kathy Kaminski

12-01-2006 17:40:22




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to LenRahilly, 11-28-2006 09:10:10  
Len, Thank you very much for all of the information. A friend drained the gas out, put new in and jump started the H with his truck. He put air in the tires for me. I couldn't believe it started! I'm planning to take pictures if we manage to get some sun this weekend. I'm a little afraid to start it since the weather turned cold the last few days. I think the H had enough power for what my dad used it for. He used the H in the woods to pull trees out to path after he cut them down. We would spend two days in the fall cutting wood using the H, a big belt and a scary saw with a huge blade. OSHA would not have approved! He used it in the winter to plow the driveway. I sure hate to get rid of her but my neighbors in town might not like an H parked in the driveway. All of you have been so helpful. I will post some pictures of her here if I can figure out how it's done. Maybe you can give me a few tips on how to describe condition, etc. I'm not sure what the most important thing a buyer would want to know.

Many, many thanks,
Kat

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dej(JED)

11-21-2006 05:58:39




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to Kathy Kaminski, 11-19-2006 13:38:15  
I don't know where everyone lives, but here in Western, Pa., you would be lucky to get $1000 out of the H as described. But maybe one of you guys would pay $1500 for it. It is an H and unless I am missing something, a price between $800 and $1000 is more than fair.



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David Kronwall

11-20-2006 04:00:01




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to Kathy Kaminski, 11-19-2006 13:38:15  
Kathy...I think most of the advice you've received below is good. Most of the guys you'll find on this site are honest and don't want to see anyone, especially a person like yourself, victimized. It is a 1940 H, and I agree that about $1,500 seems to be the average price that a good-running H brings nowadays. That or couple hundred less--depending on mechanical condition and appearance. Basically, I think there are a couple of ways to sell it. Place an ad in the local newspaper. Or place a photo ad on this site. You can also post a picture or two in this forum section for more input. A picture really helps YTers to give you a good assessment of what you may have. If you really get stuck getting it started or running, email me. I live about 60 miles north of Chicago, and maybe I can jump down to South Bend/Niles to give you a hand. I'm not promising, but maybe. I'm not the most knowledgeable mechanic either, but I do know a few things that might help. And my wife is a fellow Hoosier (Shelbyville). If any of you guys live closer, why not offer to give Kathy a hand? David

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Mike CA

11-19-2006 19:21:06




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to Kathy Kaminski, 11-19-2006 13:38:15  
Kathy,

It's been said in here, and I think it's important that you try not to go this alone. I'm sure you want to be safe with the tractor, and I'm sure you want to maximize it's potential to a buyer. So, Let us know where you live, and maybe someone can come help you out getting it running and selling it. Also, pictures are very important, for both the tractors you want to sell, along with the identification information. Worst case scenario is the good folks on this forum have to walk you through your tractor with typed words. I'm new to the tractor scene as well, and these guys are great for step-by-step info when you need it.

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Kathy Kaminski

11-19-2006 19:42:47




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to Mike CA, 11-19-2006 19:21:06  
Hi, I live in South Bend, Indiana and the tractor is just across the stateline in Niles, Michigan. I don't know if anyone here lives nearby to help me with it. Of course I have another question! Did the Farmall H come with a little red toolbox with a few tools in it? All of you are just wonderful for helping me. Thank you. Sure wish I could keep the H.

Kat



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RustyFarmall

11-19-2006 14:13:47




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to Kathy Kaminski, 11-19-2006 13:38:15  
The beginning serial number for 1940 is 10653, the beginning serial number for 1941 is 52387. Since your number is 35091, the tractor was born in 1940. If the H starts easily, runs good, and has fair to good tires, it would be worth right around $1,500, maybe more. Take some pictures and list it in the photo ads right here on YT.



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Farmall Red

11-19-2006 13:59:50




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to Kathy Kaminski, 11-19-2006 13:38:15  
Kathy,I lookedup that serial number in one of my books and according to what I see they built serial numbers 25371 to 50987 in 1941,yours falls right in there so its a 1941.I would place an add on this site in the classifieds.I think you'll have good luck selling it.Good luck Eric in Calhoun,Ky



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Mike Androvich

11-19-2006 13:53:49




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to Kathy Kaminski, 11-19-2006 13:38:15  
If the number you give is correct it is a 1940 model. As for selling it, there is always Ebay, or you can place an ad on this site and try to get best offers. Pictures are always a plus. A Farmall H is a very common tractor, but still they bring decent money generally. Don't expect a figure much above $1500, though, even in good shape. Your location will make a difference, also. Midwest will be more money in value since there are more users/collectors here than elsewhere.

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Kathy Kaminski

11-19-2006 15:25:45




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to Mike Androvich, 11-19-2006 13:53:49  
Thank you so much for the information!!! I forgot to ask another question. My dad was born in 1911 and was from the "made do" generation. He made a snow plow from scratch and I was wondering if it hurts the value to have a plow on the front. My dad always took it off the tractor in the spring but I don't know how. Also would like to know what I should do before I attempt starting it. It hasn't been started in a few years. Buy a battery??? I can't remember what to do since it has been 40 years since I drove it last. Wow, I'm getting old!!! I have another tractor of my dad's to get rid of and of course know nothing about it. I will ask when I have more info on it. It is a little IH. Thank you again for helping me. You make people like me feel welcomed!
Kat

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VAJerry

11-19-2006 15:53:51




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to Kathy Kaminski, 11-19-2006 15:25:45  
Most likely if you give us an idea of where you are from somebody lives nearby and would be willing to help you. I know I would. Otherwise try to post some pics of what you have and you will get lots od help. Not many of us are shysters but do be wary. As to the plow I would leave it on so whoever buys it will know how to attach it. JMHO.



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ADAM R. ROMESBURG

11-19-2006 13:52:28




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to Kathy Kaminski, 11-19-2006 13:38:15  
HI KATHY, I WAS JUST LOOKING OVER THE INTERNET AND FOUND THIS.I OWN 2 MY SELF AND THEY ARE WOUNDERFUL TRACTORS I WOUND SAY THAT IT'S A 1941 OR MAYBE A 1942! I AM INTERESTED I BUYING ONE I WILL OFFER YOU $500-700 CASH BECAUSE OF SUCH A DISTANCE TO DRIVE SO PLEASE WRITE BACK.DO U HAVE PICTURE THAT YOU COULD E-MAIL ME THANK!!!!! !!!! ADAM ROMESBURG ROCKWOOD PENN.

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F-Dean

11-19-2006 17:19:13




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to ADAM R. ROMESBURG, 11-19-2006 13:52:28  
Adam, are you offering to sell your two Hs of $500 each? If so, please post pictures.



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City-Boy McCoy

11-19-2006 14:52:15




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to ADAM R. ROMESBURG, 11-19-2006 13:52:28  
In your haste to buy tractors, make sure you don't take advantage of widows and orphans. You can't go wrong treating people fairly.
mike



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David Kronwall

11-20-2006 03:13:58




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-19-2006 14:52:15  
Mike...well said. Hit me the same way. Also, did you make any decision yet on the old SM? Think you should buy it for about $400. What's a few hundred in today's world? I agree with a few others that you would always regret not at least trying to get it for a little money. Just a thought. David



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IHnut

11-19-2006 16:24:36




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to City-Boy McCoy, 11-19-2006 14:52:15  
DITTO!!!!! !
Don"t get in a big hurry Kathy, get what its worth. Check out ebay and compare prices ane maybe list it there.
Just don"t give it away.
The Nut



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Harley

11-19-2006 17:23:43




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to IHnut, 11-19-2006 16:24:36  
Kathy, look over on the left of this screen, under "serial numbers", then scroll down to "Farmalls", then click on H and HV. The serial number breakdown will show you for your own eyes that yours is indeed a 1940, or in the second year that the H was produced. As the others have said, unless you are profecient mechanically or know someone who is, I don't think it would make a lot of sense for you to put a whole lot of money in the tractor to sell it. It might bring a little more, but you just might be opening a can of worms too if the old girl hasn't been started for a few years. That would be your call, but also as stated, don't give it away. Even a parts H would be worth $500.00 to $600.00 if it were all there. If it is runnable and the metal hood and grill is in pretty good shape and it has good back tires on it, it just goes up from there. Good luck, and stop back, Harley

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Kathy Kaminski

11-19-2006 19:59:54




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to Harley, 11-19-2006 17:23:43  
Hi Harley,

I don't think my dad changed anything from the time he bought it. It looks pretty good to me but you know how that is. The metal Farmall name plate that wraps around the front is a bit wrinkled but everything else looks original. We painted it back in the mid to late 50's when my dad re-did the engine and the color is still good. I noticed today that the back tires are almost flat even though they look pretty good. Is that common when they sit for a long time? I don't think it has been out of the garage in 5 years but my nephew started it a couple of years ago.

Kat

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Harley

11-19-2006 22:24:51




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to Kathy Kaminski, 11-19-2006 19:59:54  
Ya Kathy, those tires are like anything else. They need to be used or they kinda go south on ya. Air them up till they look good and I'll bet they are okay. If you can, drain the old gas out of the tank and put a couple of gallons of new gas in, get a pickup in front, put the old girl in about fourth gear, all the way over to the right and ahead with the gearshift, get her moving, and let out on the clutch with the ignition switch on and you might just be surprised and hear it running. Oh I forgot you need a battery. That'll be about $60.00. I just bought one for a H I am redoing for a guy. Good luck, Harley

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Hugh MacKay

11-20-2006 03:23:17




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to Harley, 11-19-2006 22:24:51  
Harley: Good advice, had a neighbor that was basically a hay and livestock farm. He had a new 584 diesel with loader and what we always refered to as a fleet of H, SH, 300 and 350. Must have had 6-8 of them. Used them all summer haying and spreading manure.

Come fall he'd back them in the shed, remove the batteries, rebuild any that quit during the summer. Come spring he'd install the batteries, never even tried the starters, just towed them out of shed. He claimed all of them started within 50' of the shed. He'd let them warm up and charge batteries for about an hour, then shut them down, change oil, filter, service the air cleaner, check ign and grease them and was away for another season.

He claimed for his type of farming it was the least expensive way to go. He never used more than 4-5 of them at any given time. If you went to an auction you could always count on him bidding the H, SH, 300 or 350. Never hurts to have spare he claimed. Lets face it he was right, any of those tractors will mow, rake, haul a wagon load of hay and pull a 150 bu manure spreader, plus they will run forever doing as he was doing.

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Hugh MacKay

11-20-2006 03:22:59




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 Re: Need help to identify my Dad's Farmall in reply to Harley, 11-19-2006 22:24:51  
Harley: Good advice, had a neighbor that was basically a hay and livestock farm. He had a new 584 diesel with loader and what we always refered to as a fleet of H, SH, 300 and 350. Must have had 6-8 of them. Used them all summer haying and spreading manure.

Come fall he'd back them in the shed, remove the batteries, rebuild any that quit during the summer. Come spring he'd install the batteries, never even tried the starters, just towed them out of shed. He claimed all of them started within 50' of the shed. He'd let them warm up and charge batteries for about an hour, then shut them down, change oil, filter, service the air cleaner, check ign and grease them and was away for another season.

He claimed for his type of farming it was the least expensive way to go. He never used more than 4-5 of them at any given time. If you went to an auction you could always count on him bidding the H, SH, 300 or 350. Never hurts to have spare he claimed. Lets face it he was right, any of those tractors will mow, rake, haul a wagon load of hay and pull a 150 bu manure spreader, plus they will run forever doing as he was doing.

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