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B-250 Injection Pump

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JB On

11-11-2006 15:54:49




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My B250 is not pumping any fuel to the injectors. Is the governor controled by oil pressure, and if so where does the pressure come from? What do the 2 small lines on the rear end of the pump have in them, oil or fuel? How does this control engine speed? Any help would be greatly appreciated.




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zemo

11-11-2006 20:06:14




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 Re: B-250 Injection Pump in reply to JB On, 11-11-2006 15:54:49  
What the FUC% you MOFO holes. I blow your .... off.



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Bob

11-11-2006 20:14:26




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 Re: B-250 Injection Pump in reply to zemo, 11-11-2006 20:06:14  
I've been threated by a few other folks over the years. Take a number.



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Bob

11-11-2006 16:23:34




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 Re: B-250 Injection Pump in reply to JB On, 11-11-2006 15:54:49  
Isn't that a British IP (SIMMS?) with a diaphragm governor?

If so, there is a throttle butterfly above the intake manifold, and one of the lines connects above the butterfly, and one below.

At startup, those lines, AND the diaphragm governor will not have ANYTHING to do with injecting fuel, as a light spring will have pushed the "rack" in the injection pump to the full-fuel "start" position.

After startup, there is a pressure differential across that throttle butterfly that varies with throttle position, engine speed, and load, and acts on the diaphragm in the IP, controling engine speed.

Has the machine sat unused for a long time, so the "rack" may be stuck, or the plungers in the pump may be sticky, and not returning, to take on a fresh charge of fuel?

Or, has it been running recently, and been run out of fuel, and needs to be "bled" of air?

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JB On

11-11-2006 18:33:19




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 Re: B-250 Injection Pump in reply to Bob, 11-11-2006 16:23:34  
The tractor has ben sitting for some time, don't know excatly how long. I have fuel through the transfer pump up to the injection pump. Is there some way to see if the rack is free? After getting fuel through the transfer pump we have cracked open a couple of injector lines but get nothing coming through.



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FromJB2

11-11-2006 18:53:03




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 Re: B-250 Injection Pump in reply to JB On, 11-11-2006 18:33:19  
Hi JB, it been a long time since I have been around a B250 but wasn't there a hand pump on the injection pump to prime the injection pump. It had an upside down L handle that you turned a 1/2 turn and then pumped to prime the injection pump.

Previous reply about the pressure differential diaphram is correct.

JB2



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Bob

11-11-2006 18:49:38




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 Re: B-250 Injection Pump in reply to JB On, 11-11-2006 18:33:19  
I am more familiar with the English Ford diesels, which use a similar pump.

On those, when you pull the "kill" cable, you can feel the "rack" inside the pump move from the "full-fuel" start position, to the "fuel cut-off" position. How is the "kill" or shutdown set up on your's set up? You should be able to feel the same "load" on the "kill" button, as the "rack" slides back and forth.

Years ago, I got a Ford Major Diesel that had sat for a long time. The injection plungers were so sticky they would not return. I partially dis-assembled the pump, and freed the plungers with carb cleaner and/or WD-40. It's been over 20 years, and I don't recall all the details, but the tractor is still in running order today.

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JB On

11-11-2006 19:24:21




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 Re: B-250 Injection Pump in reply to Bob, 11-11-2006 18:49:38  
The B250 has a fuel shut off lever you pull to shut it off, it moves very easily, maybe rack stuck inside of pump? Is there anyway to check to see if its stuck without disassembling the pump? If I do get this to move, it should go to full fuel and start pumping fuel?



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Bob

11-11-2006 19:44:42




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 Re: B-250 Injection Pump in reply to JB On, 11-11-2006 19:24:21  
The SIMMS pump on the Ford Major had a cover bolted to the side of the pump. Removing it exposed the "rack", and the side of the midsection of the plungers, where the "rack" meshes with the gear teeth on the plungers. I would THINK your's would be of similar construction.



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JB On

11-11-2006 19:53:07




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 Re: B-250 Injection Pump in reply to Bob, 11-11-2006 19:44:42  
I did not see a cover on the side of the pump before, but will look closer in the morning. It should be on the side of the actual pump and not the diaphram correct?



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Bob

11-11-2006 20:13:34




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 Re: B-250 Injection Pump in reply to JB On, 11-11-2006 19:53:07  
Right, if it's like the Simms unit on my major.

Also, the diaphragm will move back and forth, along with the "rack".

A tear in the diaphragm will affect the functioning of the governor, but NOT starting.



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