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Anyone need to run drawbar pull on their tractor

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El Toro

10-28-2006 13:51:47




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This is the M7 Mobile Field Dynanmometer used at Aberdeen Proving Ground for conducting full load drawbar and cooling tests. Even though we never
ran any wheeled farm tractors, I'm sure they ran some drawbar and cooling tests on some IH crawlers used during WW2.

This vehicle was powered with twin 500hp Ford gas engines. Each engine had dual 4 barrel carburetors and it had an electric drive similar to a locomotive. There's also a loadcell on the
front for measuring drawbar pull in pounds. We could monitor temperatures of the test vehicle too since the temperatures were read on a Fluke recorder in the M7.

The M7 and 3 trailers would easily hold 100,000 pounds of drawpull. The trailers had an electric
drive too and were controlled from the M7.

I would bet the Nebraska Test Lab would have like to have had this vehicle for their tests. Hal


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D Slater

10-28-2006 19:12:06




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 Re: Anyone need to run drawbar pull on their tra in reply to El Toro, 10-28-2006 13:51:47  
Uncle Sam invited me there for advanced training in 68,left around Xmas to get ready for a vacation over seas he was nice enough to give me. Was that before your time? thanks



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El Toro

10-28-2006 19:44:11




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 Re: Anyone need to run drawbar pull on their tra in reply to D Slater, 10-28-2006 19:12:06  
I started there in 1951 shortly after high school.
I was still helping my dad with morning milking. My brother had joined the Air Force. I got drafted in 1953 and was furloughed from APG. I got married too and ended up at Ft Bragg with the 82nd. I went back to APG in 1955 and retired in 1994. Hal



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Hugh MacKay

10-28-2006 18:20:39




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 Re: Anyone need to run drawbar pull on their tra in reply to El Toro, 10-28-2006 13:51:47  
Hal: Could you test my SA? Seriously, I expect Nebraska have already exceeded those specs. Those new Deere and CaseIH, 8 wheelers will out pull a D8 Cat quite handily, on firm soil or agri tilled soil.

I gave a D8 operator quite a surprise, this summer and I didn't have the largest 8 wheeler out there. He pulled me out of deep mud. He was driving on hard ground with me in tow, mainly to get rid of mud before we unhooked. I thought for the fun of it I'll step on brakes, I stopped him, he went for the heavy gears and rpm, I did the same and much to his surprise, he went for a backwards drive.

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El Toro

10-29-2006 08:34:40




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 Re: Anyone need to run drawbar pull on their tra in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-28-2006 18:20:39  
Hi Hugh, I forgot to answer your question on your Super A. We wouldn't have used the M7 for drawbar pull on anything that small. We had several smaller mobile field dynanmometers for medium and small vehicles. The M9 was the medium
and would hold a vehicle that would pull 20,000 pounds or less. It looked like a bus and it had the electric drive too. It was powered with a 500hp Ford gas engine and it had a Reo truck engine that ran the cooling fans and the power steering pump. We had a small dynamometer known as the M8 and it was a 1954 F8 Ford truck for use on small vehicles.

A rule of thumb for 4 wheel drive vehicles is that they should pull around 80% of their weight on drawbar pull.

The M7, M9 and the 3 big trailers all had chain drive. This was taken from the WW2 Recovery vehicle known as the M26 Draggin Wagon. The electric drive and the Ford engines were used in the T23 electric tank and were used on both the M7 and M9.

These vehicles were made in CA by a company known as the Knuckey Truck Co. They built the M26 during WW2 and were awarded a contract in 1945 after the war was over. Another company in Seattle WA known as Pacific Car and Foundry also built the the M26's since there was such a demand for them. You can see pictures of the M26 and the T23 by clicking on "Keyword" and typing in M26
or T23 Tank. I was told Mr Knuckey didn't have an engineering degree, but he must of had some good ones working for him. I think GE was involved in the electric drive since they had a contract on T23. APG bought a new heavy field dynanmometer known as the M18 in the late 70's and it was powered with the 1600 hp EMD engine
that was part of GM at that time. It would tow an M1 tank 45 miles an hour like it wasn't on behind. Hal

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El Toro

10-28-2006 20:04:36




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 Re: Anyone need to run drawbar pull on their tra in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-28-2006 18:20:39  
We could hold any vehicle. When the M1A1 and the M88 Recovery vehicle all could over 100,000 pounds. The German Leopard was another hoss. We hung an M88 on the last trailer hooked up in reverse. We then had a driver to run partial stalls on the M88 when we were doing low range.
We were monitoring temperatures on the test vehicle so we didn't damage or overheat anything.
We were measuring fuel consumption and recording pressures from a lot of pressure gages all at the same time. We had to make sure the M7 and 3 trailers were not overheating too. There were big grids on the M7 and the trailers to dissipate
the heat from that electric drive. We ran the D7
Cat tractor that was shown in the movie " The Green Beret" too. Very nice vehicle, it wasn't
same vehicle as in the movie. They had a D8 to move a tank in and out of the shop and it had its work cut out to handle those tanks. Hal

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Randy as in Randy-IA

10-28-2006 15:47:18




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 Re: Anyone need to run drawbar pull on their tra in reply to El Toro, 10-28-2006 13:51:47  
Hi , How are those drawbar test's done ? Did they pull the unit adding resistance to the tractor in the form of braking the test rig till the tractor came to a standstill , the clutch or tires slipped or the engine just couldn't do it anymore ? The reason I ask is I just got to thinking when you mentioned a loadcell on the testing rig . I could set up the loadcell from one of the cranes I operate with a cable on each end with an eye to hook to the drawbar and a immovable object like the crane itself ( somewhere near 120,000 lbs with 120 ft of boom and the counterweight on it setting on the outrigger jacks or about 91,000 ready to transport ) . Just hook up the tractor and let out the clutch till the clutch smokes :) or the tires spin and read the readout in pounds . Just a thought . But I would be interested in what the old M and the Oliver 1755 really could pull in real life in their advanced years . Take care ...Randy

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El Toro

10-29-2006 06:22:50




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 Re: Anyone need to run drawbar pull on their tra in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 10-28-2006 15:47:18  
Hi Randy, When we conducted drawbar pull test on a vehicle with a stick manual transmission we ran the test by engine speed. We would start at max rpm at wot and would drop the rpm's by 200 rpm's and when you do this the drawbar pull will rise as you go lower in rpm's. We would plot this on graph paper where rpm's versus drawbar pull. You will reach a point where you are at max drawbar as you keep dropping the rpm's. You will also notice as you go lower in rpm's the the drawbar pull will drop off at some point. When you reach this point there's no need to go lower in rpm's.
We would then let off on the load and go back to
max rpm's. Then we would run another set of readings using the same rpm's again. Then we would plot the readings to obtain a curve. We ran every gear and we ran full load fuel consumption too.

On some vehicles like your Farmall tractors that have the engine speed governed you won't be able to change the rpm since the governor cuts in to recover. We ran these by road speed starting at the max rs. We would drop the road speed by one mph until the max drawbar pull is obtained. The vehicle may start to lose traction and the pull will fall off. We would not go any lower in rs here. On the higher gears we ran by road speed
too, but we would quit when the drawbar pull dropped off. You don't want to overload your clutch by stalling your test vehicle and having the clutch smoking. The M7 has a calibrated 5th wheel for measuring road speed too. Hal

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El Toro

10-28-2006 18:07:33




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 Re: Anyone need to run drawbar pull on their tra in reply to Randy as in Randy-IA, 10-28-2006 15:47:18  
Hi Randy, When we ran drawbar pull tests, the test vehicle was operated with engine at full throttle. Almost all of the tanks we tested had converter transmissions and we ran by road speed
starting at the or near the max speed in each range. For the higher ranges we didn't need the trailers. We also ran full load fuel consumption
when running drawbar pull. When we finished the high ranges we would hookup to the trailers and we did the same procedure in the the lower ranges. We would keep loading the test vehicle
and set a road speed where it was near the max speed in that range. We would keep dropping the road speed of the test vehicle by small increments. If max speed was 10 mph in that range we would start at 10 mph and drop the road speed every 1 mph until we reached a stall. Some vehicles would start to lose traction. We would then let off the load and let the vehicle cool down by going back to 10 mph. Then we would repeat this procedure to see if the data was the same as the first run. We had sprocket counters on the test vehicle to measure wheel or track slippage. I will answer some more on Sunday how we did vehicles with stick shift transmissions. They were tested a little different. Hal

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